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Inerrancy of the Bible and other Religious Texts

Fade

The Great Master Bates
michel said:
Faith per se is legitimate; Correct? - then what is the problem with a giant leap of faith in believing that the bible is innerant ? - That decision, that acceptance, is made on the same principle as the one in which acceptance of the faith was first made, surely ?

If we accept that to believe in God is a choice, based purely on a belief that can have no proof whatsoever, then anything relating to that faith can be based on that same acceptance. No ?:)
I see your point and to some degree I would agree. However you are kinda begging the question... is faith legitimate?
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
AV1611 said:
INTERNAL EXAMPLE: God is the Author of the Bible. God doesn't make mistakes. The Bible has no mistakes.

EXTERNAL EXAMPLE: The Bible mentions the Hittite Empire. Scientists disagreed. Scientists now agree.
Surely you can find a better example than one that was pointed out in 1906? Maybe a more recent example of where science has been proven wrong by the bible? Many examples listed from the bible were proven wrong by science. Does this not prove the bible is not inerrant?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Ryan2065 said:
Surely you can find a better example than one that was pointed out in 1906?
I'm not going to spoon-feed you examples, Ryan. If that isn't good enough, you'll have to get your examples from someone else. Perhaps a good college may help.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
AV1611 said:
I'm not going to spoon-feed you examples, Ryan. If that isn't good enough, you'll have to get your examples from someone else. Perhaps a good college may help.
One meaningfull example would suffice. Perhups you could provide evidence of the Exodus. ;)
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Deut. 32.8 said:
One meaningfull example would suffice. Perhups you could provide evidence of the Exodus. ;)
Somehow, and in some twisted way, Deut, I feel I won't be able to --- to you that is.
 

Fascist Christ

Active Member
Deut. 32.8 said:
One meaningfull example would suffice. Perhups you could provide evidence of the Exodus. ;)
Better yet, prove further that God had something to do with the Exodus, that Moses didn't make a lot of it up to enforce obedience, or that he wasn't eating some hallucinegetic fungus.

Dude, pass the mana.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fade said:
Or even a world wide flood :rolleyes:
I'll have to go to the library, Fade on that one. I think somewhere there, there might be an obscure book buried deeply within the Dewey Decimal System that'll briefly mention a world-wide flood in a footnote. Either that, or I got the idea of it in a dream or something.

In any event, just put me down as a crackpot and we'll be square. Fair enough?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fascist Christ said:
Better yet, prove further that God had something to do with the Exodus, that Moses didn't make a lot of it up to enforce obedience, or that he wasn't eating some hallucinegetic fungus.
That would be easier to prove to you, wouldn't it?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fade said:
I see your point and to some degree I would agree. However you are kinda begging the question... is faith legitimate?
I didn't think I was; I see faith as being legitimate. However, The concise Oxford Dictionary doesn't:D
• adjective /lijittim
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t/ 1 conforming to the law or to rules. 2 able to be defended with logic or justification: a legitimate excuse. 3 (of a child) born of parents lawfully married to each other. 4 (of a sovereign) having a title based on strict hereditary right.

Def 1 Works.
Def 2 doesn't .How would one defend faith through justification ? - I don't feel the need to justify my faith. It jus "IS"

Cheating, and choosing what I want to choose out of Merriam-Webster, there is:-

being exactly as purposed (That works for me, and I'll therefore stick with that one).

Now, don't you go giving me the 'Blarney'; I've seen where you live.........:biglaugh:
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
Here is a short list of bible errors...

Matthew 24:29-34 Jesus tells his disciples that the world will end in their generation.
Mark 16:17-18 Jesus says that his followers can heal, handle snakes, cast demons out, speak in tongues, and drink poision.
Exodus 12:37-38 About 1 million people here just get up and leave Egypt. Egyptians were great record keepers, this would have been noticed. There is no evidance at all to support this claim. Also, the pyramids were built by the Egyptians, not by slaves. And for the Egyptians to keep a million slaves, well that is just quite amazing.
Matthew 24:29 Jesus says the "stars will fall from the sky". In his day it was thought that the stars were just tiny lights hanging up above their heads a few miles up. He would have thought it entirely feasable for the "lights" to just fall down.
Joshua 10:12-13 Apparently Joshua had the sun stand still in the sky and as it is written here it is clear the writer does not know about astronomy and believes the sun travles around the earth.
Daniel 4:11 Granted this is describing a dream, but it is describing a dream of a tree that stretches so high into the heavens that the entire earth can see it. No where on this earth can something stretch into the heavens so that everyone on earth can see it. This suggests the author thought of a flat earth and not the model we have today. And during that time, what was common knowledge? Flat earth.
2 Chr 21:20 and 2 Chr 22:1-2 Here Jehoram is 32 when he comes to power and he reigns for 8 years. So he is 40 when he dies. Then his "oldest" son comes to power. As it says his oldest son is 42 when he comes to power. So his son is 2 years older than him.
Lev 11:20-21 this makes mention of those 4 legged inscets with wings that we aren't supposed to eat. Oh wait, there are no 4 legged inscects with wings.
Deu 14:7 Here it makes mention of the hare that chews the cud and how you aren't supposed to eat it. Oh wait, wrong again. Hares don't chew the cud.
Prov 8:26-27 Makes mention of the earth being a circle. Circles are flat, the earth isnt.
Job 26:10 Again, makes mention of a flat earth.
Isa 40:22 Makes mention of a flat earth.
Luke 24:44 Jesus says that he is mentioned in the law of Moses... He is not.
John 3:13-15 Says that no one has ascended into heaven before Jesus except for Jesus himself. 2 Ki 2:11 States that Elijah ascended into heaven.
John 7:38 Jesus quotes from scripture, but in the current version of scripture there is no mention of that quote anywhere but where Jesus says it.
Mat 4:8 Again, reference to seeing all the world from one tall peak. One can only do this when the earth is flat.
Math 6:24 Jesus says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a servant to love two masters at the same time. This is quite possible.

That should be all for now... I just looked at one link for this list... http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide/errors.htm#handle snakes

I only took the ones that were hard to argue.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
AV1611 said:
I'll have to go to the library, Fade on that one. I think somewhere there, there might be an obscure book buried deeply within the Dewey Decimal System that'll briefly mention a world-wide flood in a footnote. Either that, or I got the idea of it in a dream or something.

In any event, just put me down as a crackpot and we'll be square. Fair enough?
Perhaps a question begged by this would then be what makes one work that mentions the flood less inerrant than another?
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
michel said:
Def 1 Works.
Def 2 doesn't .How would one defend faith through justification ? - I don't feel the need to justify my faith. It jus "IS"

Cheating, and choosing what I want to choose out of Merriam-Webster, there is:-

being exactly as purposed (That works for me, and I'll therefore stick with that one).

Now, don't you go giving me the 'Blarney'; I've seen where you live.........:biglaugh:
A pint of guinness should hit the spot...
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
FeathersinHair said:
Perhaps a question begged by this would then be what makes one work that mentions the flood less inerrant than another?
Good question. The more books that mention the Flood, the more validity is conveyed to those that need to be spoon-fed from multiple sources.
 

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
INTERNAL EXAMPLE: God is the Author of the Bible. God doesn't make mistakes. The Bible has no mistakes.
Circular reasoning, but I'm sure you know that.
EXTERNAL EXAMPLE: The Bible mentions the Hittite Empire. Scientists disagreed. Scientists now agree.
Archeologists also think they might have found remains of the legendary City of Troy. Does that mean that the Iliad and the Odyssey are "true" and inerrant as well? Come on.
I was taught that evidence in school, Sunstone,
No doubt a Christian school. Am I right?
 

Fade

The Great Master Bates
AV1611 said:
Good question. The more books that mention the Flood, the more validity is conveyed to those that need to be spoon-fed from multiple sources.
Lots of books mention floods. Very few(none to be precise) that mention a global flood are taken seriously.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
AV1611 said:
Good question. The more books that mention the Flood, the more validity is conveyed to those that need to be spoon-fed from multiple sources.
So why isn't it simply that the Bible a source that could be used to validate those other books?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Ceridwen018 said:
No doubt a Christian school. Am I right?
A school. That should be good enough. If you can't accept what's inside my head, don't ask me questions then.
 
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