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Is Homosexual Incest more moral then Heterosexual Incest?

Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Jtarter and Kerr couldn't keep their religious biases out of the conversation I see. Well, since Jtarter brought religion into the thread, I will too. I don't believe your Bible is the inerrant word of God. I don't consider it much the word of God beyond what I think other holy books from other religions are. I certainly don't consider it without error, nor do I any book. Furthermore, my religion is not against homosexuality, the ancient Egyptians had the oldest tomb of a married gay couple, and they weren't against incest either as far as I can see. That is what MY religion says on the matter, sir.
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
ChristineES said:
I've never known why, but like most people, incest seems distasteful to me. It seemed that way even before I found faith. I wonder if that is because society frowns upon and I picked that up or if it was an innate feeling.
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It's innate. Most of us are socio-biologically predetermined to feel disgust toward incest.

To answer the OP, I think you're right. As monta pointed out in my thread, if a birth results, the genetic consequences can be bad, and that's not fair to the individual being born with some form of handicap that was predictable. On the other hand, homosexual incest can't produce offspring, so it is indeed an argument supporting moral superiority of homosexual incest over hetersexual incest. However, I haven't thought enough about the matter (there may be other factors I haven't thought about) to decide that after all is said and done, one is superior morally over the other.
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
fallingblood said:
I will admit that I was not very clear in what I was saying. My point was that incest is considered to be immoral for the sole reason that it is incest. It has nothing to do with birth defects or some supposed danger that it causes, which was my point. It is because it is something considered not normal, or seen as a taboo. Thus, besides any danger people may claim it contains, it is seen as immoral.
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But the OP doesn't ask "how is it seen", it asks how it is. Millions of people can hold a moral opinion that is incorrect. So regardless as to the opinion of the majority, do you say it is moral or immoral?
 
I.S.L.A.M617

I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
Yosef the Heretic said:
First let me say, I got the idea for this thread from another incest thread. Is homosexual incest less immoral then heterosexual incest? I don't want to hear that your religion says homosexuality is immoral, put that aside for this specific discussion. It could be argued that heterosexual incest is immoral because it can cause birth defects in their offspring. Homosexuals cannot have offspring that way, so does that make homosexual incest moral? Your thoughts?
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Nevermind morality, incest is just plain wierd.... I don't get how someone can be sexually attracted to a family member; whatever floats your boat though.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
MSizer said:
But the OP doesn't ask "how is it seen", it asks how it is. Millions of people can hold a moral opinion that is incorrect. So regardless as to the opinion of the majority, do you say it is moral or immoral?
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Honestly, I don't really care if it is moral or immoral. I'd probably have to lean more towards it being moral, but it hasn't been something I thought about.

Starting this discussion, I was under the impression that we were to assume that incest is immoral for the intent of the discussion. That is what I addressed in my first post. My answer is that both are equally immoral for the reason that incest (if we are to be under the assumption that it is immoral) is immoral simply because it is incest, not on whether or not it causes damages.

Since, as Yosef later stated, we can not be under the assumption that incest is immoral, I covered all other bases in my second post.
 
Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Kerr and I bet you think knowing Jesus isn't a religion, right? Because you gave the typical Christian response in your post
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
Yosef the Heretic said:
Kerr and I bet you think knowing Jesus isn't a religion, right? Because you gave the typical Christian response in your post
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I don´t know Jesus, I don´t even care. When you read my posts please keep in mind that I am not always that good with words. Have issues to put down what I think sometimes...
 
Rainbow Mage

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Mestemia I remember when the Christian view of hell was like that, LOL. You just reminded me. Christians in the Middle Ages used to believe in different levels of hell
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
Mestemia said:
Huh?

This statement makes no sense to me as presented.
Would you please clarify what you are talking about?
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I don´t know. I guess I associated incest with abuse maybe? And in that case what would happen to the victim would be why it would be wrong. It is fully possible I got confused and misunderstood the question :shrug:.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Mestemia said:
Then why all the differing punishments for the various sins?
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There is actually some good arguments for the idea that all sins are equal. For instance, Romans lists the punishment for all sins to be death. There are no exceptions in that case.

Probably the most used argument though is that in various passages, various sins are listed equally without making a distinction between levels of sins or punishments.
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
fallingblood said:
There is actually some good arguments for the idea that all sins are equal. For instance, Romans lists the punishment for all sins to be death. There are no exceptions in that case.

Probably the most used argument though is that in various passages, various sins are listed equally without making a distinction between levels of sins or punishments.
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Then why does the Bible have all manner of different punishments for the various sins?

For example:
burning (Genesis 38:24; Leviticus 20:14; Daniel 3:6),
hanging (Numbers 25:4; Deuteronomy 21:22; Deuteronomy 21:23; Joshua 8:29; 2 Samuel 21:12; Esther 7:9; Esther 7:10),
crucifying (Matthew 20:19; Matthew 27:35),
beheading (Genesis 40:19; Mark 6:16; Mark 6:27),
slaying with the sword (1 Samuel 15:33; Acts 12:2),
stoning (Leviticus 24:14; Deuteronomy 13:10; Acts 7:59),
cutting in pieces (Daniel 2:5; Matthew 24:51),
sawing asunder (Hebrews 11:37),
exposing to wild beasts (Daniel 6:16; Daniel 6:24; 1 Corinthians 15:32),
bruising in mortars (Proverbs 27:22),
casting headlong from a rock (2 Chronicles 25:12),
casting into the sea (Matthew 18:6).
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whereismynotecard

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Kerr said:
I don´t know. I guess I associated incest with abuse maybe? And in that case what would happen to the victim would be why it would be wrong. It is fully possible I got confused and misunderstood the question :shrug:.
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There doesn't have to be a victim with incest. If a brother and a sister are both adults and haven't been brainwashed by some sort of a cult or anything -- they know exactly what they are doing, and they both want to have sex together, who is the victim? What's wrong with them doing what they want? They are both informed consenting adults. I don't see the problem.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Mestemia said:
Then why does the Bible have all manner of different punishments for the various sins?
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It comes down to a point of picking and choosing what is right and wrong within the Bible, or more so, what should be consider true as of now.

I personally make no opinion on the subject, but I was just pointing out the idea that some people do and can defend the idea that all sins are equal.
 
K

Kerr

Well-Known Member
whereismynotecard said:
There doesn't have to be a victim with incest. If a brother and a sister are both adults and haven't been brainwashed by some sort of a cult or anything -- they know exactly what they are doing, and they both want to have sex together, who is the victim? What's wrong with them doing what they want? They are both informed consenting adults. I don't see the problem.
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I don´t know, it was as I said just an association that popped into my head. Thought of cases of abuse when I wrote the post itself, didn´t think of the one you mentioned.
 
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