Is Homosexual Incest more moral then Heterosexual Incest?

[Rainbow Mage]

First let me say, I got the idea for this thread from another incest thread. Is homosexual incest less immoral then heterosexual incest? I don't want to hear that your religion says homosexuality is immoral, put that aside for this specific discussion. It could be argued that heterosexual incest is immoral because it can cause birth defects in their offspring. Homosexuals cannot have offspring that way, so does that make homosexual incest moral? Your thoughts?

 

[ChristineES]

Incest is incest, I don't think you can really separate it.

 

[fallingblood]

No. My thought is that it is a ridiculous idea completely as it should not matter which is less immoral.

What makes incest immoral is not whether one can spread birth defects to the offspring. What makes it immoral is that it is incest.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Not everyone is of the opinion incest is immoral falling blood. I'm sure you know that. Some base their morality on rather an act hurts someone else or not.

 

[ChristineES]

I've never known why, but like most people, incest seems distasteful to me. It seemed that way even before I found faith. I wonder if that is because society frowns upon and I picked that up or if it was an innate feeling.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well Christine society has always defined morality to an extent. If the majority of society thought incest was icky or gross they'd of course see it as immoral.

 

[fallingblood]

Not everyone is of the opinion incest is immoral falling blood. I'm sure you know that. Some base their morality on rather an act hurts someone else or not.

So then your question has no merit at all? If incest is not immoral, then your question has no point to it. If it is immoral, I'm sticking with my previous answer.

Also, does heterosexual incest cause anyone harm? Will it necessarily result in birth defects? No. There may be a higher chance; however, even non-incestous heterosexual sex can lead to birth defects. More so, if heterosexual incest is done by using safe sex, and make sure there is no birth defects as there will be no birth, then it is harming no one, and cannot harm anyone.

More so though, if we use what you're saying, heterosexual sex is immoral as it can and does lead to birth defects. In addition, homosexual sex, incestuous or not, is immoral as it can lead to STD's which are harmful.

Maybe you should define morality for us so we can actually discuss this properly then.

 

[whereismynotecard]

I don't think there's anything wrong with incest as long as both parties are consenting adults. I think it would be awkward, but I'm not the magical decision maker for everyone. They can do whatever they want, as long as they know what they are agreeing to. I'd say it's not fair for the kids, but it's not fair for kids of ugly parents either, or parents with a lot of down syndrome or something in their genes... If you are an adult and you are informed, you should be able to have sex with any other adult you want, as long as they are also an informed adult.

IF incest was "immoral" (which I don't think it is) I think homosexual incest might be more moral just because they cannot create kids, thus avoiding the social problems that kid might have when other kids learn that his/her parents were already related... However, since kids will also make fun of you for being poor, ugly, fat, short, tall, skinny, black, white, or anything else, I don't think it's fair to decide which kinds of people aren't good enough to reproduce, because then no one would be able to. No one is perfect.

 

[Smoke]

I don't think incest, whether straight or gay, is exactly immoral.

The whole thing about birth defects is really just a rationalization of the taboo. Some of the most horrific genetic disorders can be passed on by just one parent, or by two parents who have no known blood relationship. Inbreeding over a number of generations sometimes produces sad results, as in Habsburg lip and the various disorders that are common among the Amish. On the other hand, Cleopatra had the most bizarrely inbred pedigree I've ever seen, and she didn't seem to suffer any for it. Most people could have a child with their first cousin, half-sibling, or even their sibling without any chance of producing anything like Charles II of Spain.

That being said, I think there are perfectly good reasons for the taboo. Exogamy means broadening your family's horizons, genetic diversity, and network of alliances -- and those alliances don't just come in handy for medieval royals, either. There's some truth to the saying "It's not what you know, it's who you know," and a lot of people have found useful connections through fathers-in-law and uncles by marriage. Also, it's just good to get out of the house and meet new people. Family relationships are complicated enough, in my estimation, without adding sex to the mix.

So I think the taboo is just as good for gay people as straight people. But if you want to marry within your family, it's no skin off my back.

 

[whereismynotecard]

The reason why people say inbreeding produces birth defects is because if it is a genetic thing, the chances of people who are already related having the same genetic defect are higher. For instance, if you have "defect X" in your family history, and you reproduce, the chances of the offspring having it go up if you breed with someone else whose family has a history of "defect X" which would be your siblings/cousins... However, if your genes are really good, inbreeding would actually be better for your offspring, because there's a lesser chance of them getting any bad defects, since both parents will have good genes.

The whole thing is just that genes in your family are more likely to show up in the baby if both parents are related. That goes for good genes and bad genes.

 

[McBell]

What makes incest immoral is not whether one can spread birth defects to the offspring. What makes it immoral is that it is incest.

No, what makes incest moral is that it is incest.

I bet you disagree with that statement because it is just plain ridiculous, right?

Now please explain how your quoted statement is not just as ridiculous.

 

[dust1n]

First let me say, I got the idea for this thread from another incest thread. Is homosexual incest less immoral then heterosexual incest? I don't want to hear that your religion says homosexuality is immoral, put that aside for this specific discussion. It could be argued that heterosexual incest is immoral because it can cause birth defects in their offspring. Homosexuals cannot have offspring that way, so does that make homosexual incest moral? Your thoughts?

Yosef, you can **** a snake for all I care... as long as it's not a male snake.

 

[Revasser]

Only if they're twins.

 

[fallingblood]

No, what makes incest moral is that it is incest.

I bet you disagree with that statement because it is just plain ridiculous, right?

Now please explain how your quoted statement is not just as ridiculous.

I will admit that I was not very clear in what I was saying. My point was that incest is considered to be immoral for the sole reason that it is incest. It has nothing to do with birth defects or some supposed danger that it causes, which was my point. It is because it is something considered not normal, or seen as a taboo. Thus, besides any danger people may claim it contains, it is seen as immoral.

 

[monta]

I would describe behaviour as either, beneficial, mostly beneficial, neutral,mostly harmful or harmful, morality is an archaic term which cannot accurately describe the nuances of human behaviour.

 

[Comicaze247]

Twins copulating? Hmm . . . how about adding me?

. . . cannot . . . think . . . blood . . . leaving . . . brain . . .

 

[jtartar]

First let me say, I got the idea for this thread from another incest thread. Is homosexual incest less immoral then heterosexual incest? I don't want to hear that your religion says homosexuality is immoral, put that aside for this specific discussion. It could be argued that heterosexual incest is immoral because it can cause birth defects in their offspring. Homosexuals cannot have offspring that way, so does that make homosexual incest moral? Your thoughts?

Yosef,
Since I have not started a religion, I do not HAVE a religion. The truth is that God has inspired His writers to tell us that there is only ONE religion that He is blessing, Eph 4:4-6.
As for one immoral act being more immoral than another, it does seem, by the way that God condemns homosexuality, that it is worse, in God's eyes, than other forms of PORNIA, which is any form of sexual contact, outside of marriage. Just consider what the Bible says, and you be the judge, Lev 20:13. The Christian Greek Scriptures say the same, Rom 1: 26-32, where the terms disgraceful, unnatural, obscene, and that they deserve death, are used. Jude 7 also mentions that the ones going after flesh for unnatural use might very well be destined for everlasting death.
Of course God has made the way for any repentant ones to be forgiven for their sins. This is by following Jesus' commands, and trust in his ransom sacrifice, 1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 2:16, Acts 4:12, 13:38,39, Matt 20:28, Heb 2:9, 1Pet 2:21, 2Thess 1:6-9.

 

[Kerr]

First let me say, I got the idea for this thread from another incest thread. Is homosexual incest less immoral then heterosexual incest? I don't want to hear that your religion says homosexuality is immoral, put that aside for this specific discussion. It could be argued that heterosexual incest is immoral because it can cause birth defects in their offspring. Homosexuals cannot have offspring that way, so does that make homosexual incest moral? Your thoughts?

Incest is incest. If a man with aids rape a woman it is not that if she gets pregnant and gets a child that is born with the sickness that makes it immoral, it is what he did to her. Same applies to incest.

 

[McBell]

I will admit that I was not very clear in what I was saying. My point was that incest is considered to be immoral for the sole reason that it is incest. It has nothing to do with birth defects or some supposed danger that it causes, which was my point. It is because it is something considered not normal, or seen as a taboo. Thus, besides any danger people may claim it contains, it is seen as immoral.

Just like with homosexuality it is the "yuk" factor.

 

[McBell]

Incest is incest. If a man with aids rape a woman it is not that if she gets pregnant and gets a child that is born with the sickness that makes it immoral, it is what he did to her. Same applies to incest.

Huh?

This statement makes no sense to me as presented.
Would you please clarify what you are talking about?