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British terrorism works
- Thread starter Abu Rashid
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Are you really attempting to compare death threats sent by those who would seek to restrict free speech to the bigotry of schoolgirls?
Fine, those bullies in the British school need to be punished, just as anyone sending death threats, no matter what their religion, needs to be punished.
(You see, this is why a Christian Militia group was recently arrested)
Abu Rashid
Active Member
So some critical thinkers have noted.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Without a working definition, discussion is pointless.
Why would it be obvious? Many non-native speakers on this site are quite accomplished, but difficulties arise nonetheless. It's inevitable.
Ah, so you're deliberately twisting the meanings? Ignoring the details because your argument fails completely if you use the real definitions?
I think that's all that needs be said, really.
Abu Rashid
Active Member
I provided my working definition above.
Well ok, I'm a native English speaker. Although I honestly can't see why you would doubt or question it. Unless you've fallen prey to the stereotype that all Muslims who speak English must be non-natives.
I'm not twisting anything.
I don't have any argument to make, so not much to fail really.
Ugh! The word "terrorism" has been so broadened as to lose all meaning. Moreover, in western media it seems to only apply to people-we-don't-like.
I prefer the an old definition - other than all out conventional war, an act which is intended to create fear in a large group of people, typically to coerce
them to do (or not do) something.
This would not include: bullying children, a nutcase flying a plane into an IRS building, raising someone's rent.
It would include: the 9/11 incident, Israeli collective punishment of Palestinians, the murder of abortion doctor Tiller.
I prefer the an old definition - other than all out conventional war, an act which is intended to create fear in a large group of people, typically to coerce
them to do (or not do) something.
This would not include: bullying children, a nutcase flying a plane into an IRS building, raising someone's rent.
It would include: the 9/11 incident, Israeli collective punishment of Palestinians, the murder of abortion doctor Tiller.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Key word: "working." Yours doesn't qualify.
No, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. The doubt arose because you were misusing words. It was either a lack of comprehension, or dishonest hysterics. Now I know.
You are. You're trying to twist bullying into terrorism, when you know full well that they're not remotely the same thing.
We both know that with a quick Google, I could pull up dozens of images of Arabic children with assault rifles, or suicide bomber costumes. We both know that you can't pull up anything similar for the British. We both know that the bullies in the OP aren't sanctioned, officially or tacitly. Yet you try to pretend they're comparable. Pathetic.
You don't have a leg to stand on, true, but it didn't stop you from trying.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
I agree. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
The only way I can see to escape circular argument is to say violence itself is the enemy.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I've said this for years. I do not, however, agree with watering down the definition of terrorism to include schoolyard bullying.
Well, you're a pacifist.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Beyondo
Active Member
EXCUSE ME! But how the death threat was communicated on the Islamic website was of an image of a murdered victim that had offended Islam. CLEARLY demonstrating the consequences of not adhering to the demands.
Also terrorism is classified as violence or harassment motivated by ideology. Is Islam an ideology? Oh yes it is...How about that?
Smoke
Done here.
It's not a very good one.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
This isn't terrorism it is blog blather.
If people were to get their knickers in a twist over every piece of tasteless threat posted on blogs where would we be.
The US channel decided to pull this. Anyone who has a problem should address it to said TV channel.
Whose interests are being served through this negativity about Islam. Should Christianity/America/Europe whatever be judged by what bloggers post in their name.
This is a big load of cod.
If people were to get their knickers in a twist over every piece of tasteless threat posted on blogs where would we be.
The US channel decided to pull this. Anyone who has a problem should address it to said TV channel.
Whose interests are being served through this negativity about Islam. Should Christianity/America/Europe whatever be judged by what bloggers post in their name.
This is a big load of cod.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yeah, Kathryn did better.
Abu Rashid
Active Member
stephen,
Well said.
Alas the vast majority don't even seem to realise this is the point. Even those who followed this issue here from the other thread, are convinced this is about an unfounded claim Brits are being trained to be terrorists.
Well said.
Alas the vast majority don't even seem to realise this is the point. Even those who followed this issue here from the other thread, are convinced this is about an unfounded claim Brits are being trained to be terrorists.
Abu Rashid
Active Member
Beyondo,
Death threats are death threats. Just because someone posts a link to an image doesn't change the impact of it. I'm still at a loss to understand how this particular death threat elicited such a huge amount of chatter, whilst the countless other death threats in the media over the past month or so (I posted a list of quite a few actually in the other thread, even one where a Democrat was threatened that snipers would be sent to kill her kids) were virtually unknown to most of those screaming the loudest about this one.
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Beyondo
Active Member
Because the South Park incident is about Freedom of speech. You want to enforce by proxy of a death threat to censor any image of Mohammad and then cloud the issue of freedom of speech with lunatics that make death threats. These lunatics BTW aren't experienced MURDERERS who have already killed and are showing off previous work!!!!!!!!! GET IT?!!!!!
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Abu Rashid
Active Member
Anne, whilst you might think this all centres around you, it does not.
It's about the disproportionate amount of hype surrounding this issue. I've done a search for "death threats" in this forum, and have not been able to find any mention of the death threats against Democrats in America, yet you're telling me how it's all about what's close to you domestically, nothing to do with falling victim to sensationalism that focuses on Islam. Sorry if I'm finding your claims hard to swallow. And even if it were the case for you, my guess is that the vast majority of those in that thread harping on about Islam and South Park, have no idea about the Democrat death threats. Certainly not enough of an idea to actually bother posting something about it.
It's about the disproportionate amount of hype surrounding this issue. I've done a search for "death threats" in this forum, and have not been able to find any mention of the death threats against Democrats in America, yet you're telling me how it's all about what's close to you domestically, nothing to do with falling victim to sensationalism that focuses on Islam. Sorry if I'm finding your claims hard to swallow. And even if it were the case for you, my guess is that the vast majority of those in that thread harping on about Islam and South Park, have no idea about the Democrat death threats. Certainly not enough of an idea to actually bother posting something about it.
Abu Rashid
Active Member
You really mean to say because it's about Islam, freedom of speech is just a cover and you know it. You will twist and change it to be anything, so long as Islam ends up the target.
Your own government representatives have had their children threatened with death threats just because they voted for health care reform, which by your own definition above (Also terrorism is classified as violence or harassment motivated by ideology.) would probably be considered terrorism, yet you seem to think defending a cartoon is more important? And the only death threat worth discussing?