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Shoe is on the other foot: Prove there is not God.
- Thread starter Archer
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My God!!! I've just been poofed out of existence!!!!!!!!!!!!1:cover:
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
LOL. Most of these aren't messianic prophicies. Christians, following jesus' death, ramsaked the hebrew scriptures to find vereses that might sound like they fit jesus, and to those who aren't familiar with them, they might sound convincing. For example, psalm 22, people often refer to verse 16, 'they peirced his hands and feet'. Sounds right at first, oh, but then you go back and actually read the entire chapter. Right above the peirced hands and feet, it points out that dogs attacked the individual in the psalm to do this. Was jesus attacked by hunting dogs? No, no he wasn't. Tell you what, you expalin why you think any of those are messianic prophicies and why you think they apply to jesus, and I'll point out why your wrong.
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Autodidact
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O.K. let's look at the quality of your evidence. You know that a certain number of brain dead people recover spontaneously, regardless of prayers or religion, right? How might we figure out whether your case was one of those, or a miracle of God? Do you know whether there are any studies to find out whether praying to a Christian God increase the chances of this happening?
The answer is yes, they have, and no, it doesn't. That is, the percentage of brain dead people who recover is no greater for Christians who have their entire congregation praying for them than for atheists with no one praying for them.
I'll explain it two other ways:
1. An atheist I know doesn't believe in God. He fell into a coma. He woke up and declared once again that there is no God, and thanked the medical practitioners who cared for him.
Is this evidence that there is no God?
2. A young man in our congregation fell into a coma and was declared brain-dead. We all prayed fervently for his recovery. Then he died.
Is this evidence that your God does not exist?
The recovery rate for people who are prayed for is the same as for people who aren't prayed for. There is no difference. Your evidence is exactly the same as non-evidence. Or, to put it differently, your God exists only in the sense that "existing" means the same thing as not existing.
Here's another example. You're diagnosed with appendicitis. Which would you choose: surgery with no prayer, or prayer with no surgery?
AK4
Well-Known Member
Jesus also referred to people as being dogs [talking to the Samaritan woman]. The bible is not always literal. So try again.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
"Just is" goes completely against your argument of "something cannot come from nothing."
There is no logic in your limiting of an omnipotent being. You cannot claim omnipotency then claim to limit this being by saying "if he told us, he would no longer be all powerful."
As I said, what was once though supernatural is now known to be natural.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
You're sexist opinion have no relevance to this thread. Try and stay on topic.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Um its not my opinion, it is that of the ancient greeks...
this thread is however stupid...
how can you prove God, when you cant fully define God...
No one here has yet to give a list of all the attributes of Jehova, because that IS what we are describing here... Jehova
so, until someone comes up with a nice check list of who this Jehova is...
a fully comprehensive one, that covers all the basis... I'm thinking maybe a 100,000,000 word post.....(give or take 10 million) then God cannot be proven OR disproven.....
:areyoucra
that IS the topic of this thread, right?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
No its not, how'd you get that impression?
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
The title is prove god doesn't exist. The op made it appearent ater he was referingto the chrsitian god. Disproving jesus does that. Stop trying to confuse the topic.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Poor analogy.
The Big Bang is exactly that, the start of the Universe. A singularity that contained the entire potential for the universe, including space, time, and all the physical laws that relate to the universe. This singularity has been expanding and cooling every since. Our universe, and everything about about it, exists only within this singularity.
Speculation on "what was before that?" is just that, speculation. As anything that may or may not exist outside of the singularity may not be bound by the same laws contained within the singularity.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Actually, the OP later clarified the subject was the Abrahamic God. Your attemps to disprove Jesus do nothing to disprove the Abrahamic God.
Myers
Member
Agreed. But now you have to prove it to the Christians who actually believe those are Messianic prophecies.
Or, better yet, why don't you give us an example of prophecies that weren't fulfilled?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
I read the first post and the title of the thread
Well prove it.
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so, until someone comes up with a nice check list of who this Jehova is...
a fully comprehensive one, that covers all the basis... I'm thinking maybe a 100,000,000 word post.....(give or take 10 million) then God cannot be proven OR disproven.....
:areyoucra
that IS the topic of this thread, right?
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I don't even have to defend scriptures they speak for themselves.But thinking and saying someone is out of there mind you are actually supporting this scripture.
And actually no one knows the mind of God and his ways are not ours.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
You havent disproven God though...
you have merely demonstrated ONE opinion that "shows" Jesus was not the chosen messiah of the Jews....
this does not disprove "Jehova"
it disproves reliance of Jewish prophecy....
In order to disprove Jehova...first we must define Jehove...
please define Jehova completely without anything missing...
so we can prove or disprove his existence
...
Since people have been trying to do this for well over a hundred years...
I think you should be able to do it here, in a discussion forum, online
because I think you're special :clap
Autodidact
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You said:
That is an effort at using logic to prove God's existence. Logical arguments can always be laid out in the form of a syllogism, which often helps determine whether they are valid. So let's try that with your argument, and see whether it works, O.K.? Here, I'll do it for you:
1. Something can't come from nothing.
Therefore God exists.
See your problems?
1. You haven't shown your premise to be correct.
2. Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise.
You left out some steps, do you see? Your argument is so incomplete we can't even respond to it--it just doesn't follow.
Your argument should be something like:
1. Something can't come from nothing.
2. Something exists.
3. Therefore something must have created it.
4. That something is God.
Is that closer to what you're trying to say?
Finally, the classic response is that your argument contradicts itself, because if something can't come from nothing, God can't come from nothing, therefore by the same token, you have proven that God does not exist.