Will masturbation give me a oneway ticket to hell?

I find it hard to believe any scientific study ISN'T going to start out looking to prove that it's good for you. After all, scientists do it too. Probably MORE than other people. LOl.

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Over 97% of males admit to masturbating. In my opinion, the other 3% are liars.

Masturbation helps relieve sexual tension, it helps you learn how to pleasure your future or present partner, and is completely natural, as other animals do it too.

Why would a scientific study have to be biased in favour of masturbation? What about the Christian scientists, who come up with the same answers?

The problem I find with many people,is that regardless of the evidence presented to them, they will always try to make a loophole in it, if they are of an opposing stance. Most of the times, the loopholes are pitifully inadequate as loopholes. Grabbing at anything to keep their point of view rational.

johnnys4life said:

How is saying you shouldn't use it for a purpose it isn't intended for ignorance?

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One would think that if it is good for our health without harming others we should be doing it. If we are damaging our health for no apparent reason at all then it is ignorant. Is there a specific reason we shouldn't masturbate?

What is so "wrong" with shame anyway? Shame is a good thing. People should feel MORE shame. Then maybe they wouldn't waste thier lives doing stupid, meaningless things.

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All depends on if we are shamful of the correct things. I dont think its correct to be ashamed of our own bodies. I think we should be ashamed of racism, bigotry and genocide for example.

I find it hard to believe any scientific study ISN'T going to start out looking to prove that it's good for you. After all, scientists do it too. Probably MORE than other people. LOl.

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Nonsense.

Christian scientists? Who, what, where? What are you even talking about here? Christian Science is, as a religion, pretty messed up.

You cannot PROVE that masturbation CAUSES any benefit. The only kind of studies you'd be able to do with such a subject would be CORRELATIONAL, which are the most unreliable studies there are.

Druidus said:

Masturbation helps relieve sexual tension, it helps you learn how to pleasure your future or present partner, and is completely natural, as other animals do it too.

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Oy vey.... one more time: Primate behavior does not dictate human morality.

Grabbing at anything to keep their point of view rational.

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... or grabbing at anything to feel good about their propensity for violating themselves like a chimp at the zoo. It works both ways.

Oy vey.... one more time: Primate behavior does not dictate human morality.

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Pertaining to Christianity, perhaps, yes. But I meant that as a believer in evolution.

... or grabbing at anything to feel good about their propensity for violating themselves like a chimp at the zoo. It works both ways.

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If I masturbate, I am not violating myself. I am doing what comes naturally. Children spontaneously learn it, as I did. Before I even new what it was, I would masturbate. And I saw nothing wrong with it, until Confirmation class. It was then that I became horribly ashamed and actually had to work through some complexes that developed because of this.

SOGFPP said:

Oy vey.... one more time: Primate behavior does not dictate human morality.
... or grabbing at anything to feel good about their propensity for violating themselves like a chimp at the zoo. It works both ways.

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Primates eat, drink, sleep, ****, fart, belch, excrete, sneeze, masturbate, have intercourse, go through puberty and engage in courtship. So do humans.
The only difference between us and them is that we have created for ourselves an abstract set of rules to dictate these activities in a vain attempt to regard ourselves as superior and more sophisticated. Yet in my opinion all we seem to do is prove is how stupid we can be to accept abstract ideas that actually cause us harm.

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Pertaining to Christianity, perhaps, yes. But I meant that as a believer in evolution.

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The evolution of human morality?
I must say, that's the first time I heard that.... animals eat their young, etc... I guess that kind of behavior is ok for non-Christian humans?
For the record... I also believe in evolution.... but I don't believe our morality is something that "evolved".

I am doing what comes naturally.

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What comes "naturally" to me is hurting other human beings.... in my pre-theist days, I used to do it for fun.... I'm 5'9" and 170 lbs.... I'd walk into biker bars and have at it.... over 50 broken bones and 200 stiches to prove it .... but it was "fun" to me.... it came naturally.

Natural does not mean moral.

It was then that I became horribly ashamed and actually had to work through some complexes that developed because of this.

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Well, I must say that it's a shame that you developed negative complexes due to this conflict.... maybe when puberty is over, you'll have a different perspective on things.... I hope.

Scott

Tawn said:

The only difference between us and them is that we have created for ourselves an abstract set of rules to dictate these activities

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That's the only difference?

in a vain attempt to regard ourselves as superior and more sophisticated. Yet in my opinion all we seem to do is prove is how stupid we can be to accept abstract ideas that actually cause us harm.

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Well, in my opinion, in is not vanity to regard ourselves as superior and more sophisticated.... it is common sense.
You seem smarter to me than to think that chaos and animal behavior should be the "norm".....

*** pardon me... I've gotta take a poop on my front lawn ***

Ok, I'm back.... what were we talking about again?

SOGFPP said:

That's the only difference?

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In general behavioural terms yes. Of course theres lots of other stuff not relevant to this convo .

Well, in my opinion, in is not vanity to regard ourselves as superior and more sophisticated.... it is common sense.

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Perhaps you could say why?

You seem smarter to me than to think that chaos and animal behavior should be the "norm".....

*** pardon me... I've gotta take a poop on my front lawn ***

Ok, I'm back.... what were we talking about again?

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I submit to you that many humans are indeed rather stupid on the subject of excretion. We dump our excrement in the seas... when it could be used usefully in feeding the crops we grow. Human manure makes great fertiliser. In a manner of speaking taking a dump on our lawn would be more sensible.. but of course we have to hide these profane activites from one another.. why exactly?

The evolution of human morality?

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The evolution of morality, yes. But not specifically. The evolution of behaviour really.

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must say, that's the first time I heard that.... animals eat their young, etc... I guess that kind of behavior is ok for non-Christian humans?

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Some non-human animals will eat their young if they are unable to feed them enough to survive. In this way, they may breed again, without starving themselves. This behaviour is not found in most primates, so likely it is not natural for humans either.

For the record... I also believe in evolution.... but I don't believe our morality is something that "evolved".

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Morality was invented as a way to regulate life. Chimps have their own set of morals, for what they may experience. Likewise, we have ours. I think much of it was evolved, but much of it also invented.

What comes "naturally" to me is hurting other human beings.... in my pre-theist days, I used to do it for fun.... I'm 5'9" and 170 lbs.... I'd walk into biker bars and have at it.... over 50 broken bones and 200 stiches to prove it

.... but it was "fun" to me.... it came naturally.

Natural does not mean moral.

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Exactly. Adolescent orangutans have been known to rape female orangutans. This is natural, but not necessarily right. However, in a behaviour such as masturbation, absolutely no one is hurt.

That's the only difference?

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More or less, yes.

Well, in my opinion, in is not vanity to regard ourselves as superior and more sophisticated.... it is common sense.

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Superiority is a foolish invention. An abstract concept. No such thing exists.


You seem smarter to me than to think that chaos and animal behavior should be the "norm".....

You seem smarter to me than to think that chaos and animal behavior should be the "norm".....

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Animal behaviour is the norm. What we do is animal behaviour. Just because it's different from other animals doesn't make it any less of a type of behaviour. Much the same as chimps differe from bonobos, we differ from both.

*** pardon me... I've gotta take a poop on my front lawn ***

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If this was the societal and legal norm, I'd see nothing wrong with it. It may be the societal norm for some animals, and thus, it is right.

I will concede on this one.... this is really too far out there for me.

Will masturbation give me a oneway ticket to hell?
No, it is a one way ticket to the barber shop to get your hands shaved.

Just don't go past the sex shop on the way there...make sure a toilet is nearby..

Masterbation in males has been shown to reduce the risk of prostate cancer if done once a day or more (obviously sex counts as an alternative), it has something to do with flushing out carcinogenic chemicals.

Masturbation can cause bad effects also, but I won't delve into it as this is not a debate on diseases and symptoms. It is a religious debate.

Somewhat.

Why would religion have anything to say about masturbation in the first place? How does masturbation have anything to do with spirituality? Is there some link here that I don't know of?

The closest I can come up with is that it is giving in to temptation, which is spiritually worng in the eyes of God, as we are not meant to be lead into temptation.

And also,at times, it is a sin of "lust". (If you are wan er playing over someone specific, and have sexual thoughts on that person)

However, for some it is not a temptation, but a resort.

On another note, let us look throughout the Bible on relevant statements on this masturbation topic and how it may be wrong in the eyes of God.

Job 31:1, committing not to look lustfully at a girl

Matthew 5:28, looking lustfully at a woman means committing adultery in one's heart

Colossians 3:5, put to death what is your earthly nature; lust is idolatry

1 Thessalonians 4:4-5, learn to control your body in a holy and honorable way, not in passionate lust like the heathen

Masturbation can cause bad effects also, but I won't delve into it as this is not a debate on diseases and symptoms. It is a religious debate.

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Going blind? Hairy hands? I severely doubt any problems are caused by masturbation.

Job 31:1, committing not to look lustfully at a girl

Matthew 5:28, looking lustfully at a woman means committing adultery in one's heart

Colossians 3:5, put to death what is your earthly nature; lust is idolatry

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What if you are fantasizing about your wife?

Many people also don't fantasize whilst masterbating. They merely masterbate.

Druidus said:

Going blind? Hairy hands? I severely doubt any problems are caused by masturbation.


What if you are fantasizing about your wife?

Many people also don't fantasize whilst masterbating. They merely masterbate.

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How boring!