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Why Some Christians Become Militant Atheists
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BucephalusBB
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I never said you should, I said you could..
I also didn't complain to the fact that I did something wrong and you helped me with it, right? But we are going way too much offtopic..
..And thanks for correcting me
Do you know if this man is having financial difficulties? 60k a year is a good living wage and two kid isnt hard to educate plus I suppose that he have them in a Catholic school and if they know him as you said, the school and the Church are more than willing to help him out with half scholarship for the kids and even 100% if need it be, I know that they do because that is what they did for my sister's kids, she was a tireless worker for the Church and the school and when thing were well with them they helped others, my brother in law an engineer lost his job and went on a bout with severe depression and could not do any other work for more than 9 years, the church and the high school went beyond of what they did for other students and gave them a full scholarship, do you know why this man does what he does? How disciplined and modest la ife he lives? Has he ask you for anything?
I never said you should, I said you could..
I also didn't complain to the fact that I did something wrong and you helped me with it, right? But we are going way too much offtopic..
..And thanks for correcting me
Nah I had to tell you to thank me. Therefore making the thank you invalid. Which is why I did not thank Smoke. Because it would have been pointless because someone had to tell me to thank him/her.
What are you talking about? No one is enforcing that we kill anyone. Your statement is incoherent, please think before you type.
Beaudreaux
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Oh, I don't think it's OK to kill homosexuals. I think the Bible is dead wrong on that. Remember, I'm an atheist. I read the Bible like I would read any other book. I value the good parts (Love thy neighbor) and I reject the bad parts (beat your children with a rod). It sounds like you take the same approach, but here's the difference between us. You have this notion that the Bible is inerrant and so you have to "interpret" away the bad parts. I simply say they are wrong.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
I for one DON'T believe in these edicts. I am perfectly happy to say that these commands are brutal, wrong and maybe even evil. That's because I have no allegiance to the Bible. You seem to think the Bible is never wrong. As such, you have to find a way to interpret these verses as actually NOT meaning you should kill people in these situations. It's a tough act of rationalization and one I found I could no longer do when I was a Christian.
gnomon
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In regards to the general question in the OP:
I myself cannot name a former Christian turned militant atheist.
I think the word militant has been overused of recent. Terms such as diligent, persistent....those would be better.
Militant now is nothing more than a buzzword people use when they think they are being clever.
I myself cannot name a former Christian turned militant atheist.
I think the word militant has been overused of recent. Terms such as diligent, persistent....those would be better.
Militant now is nothing more than a buzzword people use when they think they are being clever.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
What a militant post!
I am not interpreting the bad parts away. I just interpret them differently than the mainstream. I am not doing it on purpose. Honest to God I read that passage it does not mean for me to kill homosexuals. Believe that if nothing else. And believe there is others like me who believe that the passage means to not kill homosexuals as well.
I know you don't want to kill homosexuals. My point is why are you so persistent to try and get me to say that it is ok if you don't believe it either. rofl. Our thoughts are roughly the same we just took different paths to get there. You chose to ignore the scripture all together because you don't believe in that particular verse. I did not have a choice. I read the scripture thought to myself, "boy, I hope those gay people get right with God before they die" which makes sense to me, therefore I deposited that scripture and its meaning in my head, and then never had to think of it again. Until people come here and try to tell me that I am a liar. If you believe me fine or dont believe me I dont care. You have no right to call me a liar.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Whoa there, big fella! When did I call you a liar? I don't think you're a liar. I think you are forced into complex rationalizations by your worldview. I was there myself many years ago. There is a verse in the Bible where God clearly commands his people to kill homosexuals. Because you are a good person and do not believe such a commandment would be correct, you must interpret it to mean the direct opposite. To you this verse means we are NOT to kill homosexuals. It MUST mean that because how could the Bible have a sucha passage?
Did you ever see the movie "Rising Sun"? It's an action movie with Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery. It has nothing much to do with this discussion, but there is a part that parallels. A politician has been completely against allowing a Japanese company to purchase a US company that makes military hardware. Later, he completely reverses his position and is FOR the sale. But, he cannot say that. He says that his new stance is a "modification" of his old stance. When people say that he has done a complete 180 (which he clearly has) he says "that's really an oversimplification." He HAS to find a way in his own mind to justify calling up down and black white. That's the position you are in. When the God commands his people to stone adulterers, you see it as NOT telling his people to stone adulterers. When God tells his people to wipe out every man, woman, child and animal in a neighboring state because they do not believe in HIM, you interpret is as meaning God does NOT believe it is good to do so. That's not lieing. That's trying to find a way to call the Bible a perfect holy book when it has much in it that is morally repugnant today.
You are indirectly calling me a liar. You just did it again, because of this quote. I am not forced into it. It just is because it is. TO YOU it says to kill people that says something about your personality does it not? Going by your own reasoning here. Yet earlier you clearly stated you did not want to kill them. So which is it? Do you believe me or do we go by your own reasoning on the matter?
You are living proof of how religion can pervert and distort reality. If you can't see how the bible endorses things that we in society see as wrong, slavery, murder, rape etc... Than you are diluted beyond all reasoning.
J Bryson
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My apologies. I thought that the tongue-in-cheek nature of that statement in particular was self-evident. Next time, I'll be sure to spell it out in detail
Yeah tongue and cheek don't translate very well into the written word only the greatest writers are possible of that.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Ok, I will flat out call you a liar.
Why?
Because the Bible not only says to kill, but even dictates how and when:
What is really interesting is the fact that these lists are incomplete...
no no no, you can not throw out the old testament. Thats picking and choosing from the bible, I'm guessing you except the 10 commandment, well, thats in the old testament.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Duh.
He changed his mind.