Then you would be thinking incorrectly as to what you think I think. I posted what I think exactly. One cannot assume anymore, or any less, to what I have already stated. Why would one care to do so unless they were just being pompous?
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Holocaust deniers!!!
- Thread starter TashaN
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Then you would be thinking incorrectly as to what you think I think. I posted what I think exactly. One cannot assume anymore, or any less, to what I have already stated. Why would one care to do so unless they were just being pompous?
No, I just assumed logical consistency. If that was a bad assumption on my part, I apologize.
I'm just trying to underscore the seriousness of this issue, which I feel you're trying to diminish. The success of holocaust denial and the harmful effects that come with it depend largely on having enough people doing things like brushing off the difference between a few hundred thousand and a few million as no big deal.
How can you call your thinking logical consistency when I stated that I didnt care if it was one or one billion? What part of that do you not understand? In any case, your assumption was only based on your own thoughts and feelings on the subject at hand and didnt include my but your apology is accepted.
Again your thoughts and feelings are clouding your judgment. I at no time have tried to diminish from the fact that many people lost their lives. I only stated that TO ME, Ill type it again for those that didnt see it the first time, TO ME it doesnt matter how many were killed. As I have already stated that one righteous life taken by another is just as bad as if it were one billion.
I havent the time for such, nor delve into, over dramatics and do not feel that everyone should think and feel the same way as I do. I say to each his or her own. If this is a problem for you then I dont know what to tell ya. If I am wrong about you then I apologize. No offence intended nor taken.
No, it was based on your previous post, plus simple arithmetic:
The difference between 6,000,000 and 5,999,999 is one. Apparently, one is enough for a holocaust, right? So, the difference between 6,000,000 and 5,999,999 is an entire holocaust.
Funny, I think that's exactly what this does: equating one life with a billion lives diminishes the value of 999,999,999 lives.
And to me, saying "it doesn't matter how many were killed" comes dangerously close to implying that it doesn't matter if people misrepresent the Holocaust.
As you see it therefore your thought and your feeling.
Yep, just like the difference between 0 and 1 or 9,999,999,999,999 and 1,000,000,000,000,000 right?
I find nothing funny here. Have I at any time declared anything on the numbers other than the fact that I care nothing about the numbers only because one is just important to me as if it where one billion? Then how did I diminish a value? You only assume and we all know what assume is.
You know, for a staff member, I would have thought the process would have been a little more stringent. I feel as though you have a personal problem with me or something. I feel your attacking me for my beliefs. Is this what RF wants for their staff members to be?
Hey man, whatever.
I don't have a problem with you personally. I do have a problem with minimization of the holocaust or holocaust denial.
If I've been abrupt with you, it's because I consider this to be a very serious issue. But if you do think I've violated the forum rules in some way, then you're welcome to take up the matter with an admin.
kai
ragamuffin
I though it informative.This is an interesting figure indeed. Thank you all for participating in the poll and helping me proceed with this discussion.
Now what i would like to know is, how is questioning the number of those who been killed considered to be a holocaust denial?
On its own Its not
If someone took a scientific approach to prove that they were less than 6 million for instance, how is that a holocaust denial?
Again its not as long as it was a "scientific" approach
By the way, can someone please help me by giving me some unbiased links which talk about holocaust denial?
well thats a hard one , its a kind of lunatic fringe thing in the west, most of it is very poor ,its taken far more seriously in the Arab world but thats hardly unbiased . i couldnt find any.
I noticed that wiki page regarding this matter is clearly poor.
Holocaust denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You couldve fooled me.
So because I state that even one death, to me, is just as important, you unload both barrels at me. What a bunch of crap. Youre scary to me. Can you just leave me alone please?
I believe youre the serious issue.
Like that would do any good. Just leave me alone and stop harassing me.
sindbad5
Active Member
no way to like someone has an ideology which justify innocent bloodsheding like hitler or mosoliny or stalin or even george bush and bin laden.
nazis put us into a ranking table man.
also i don't like any other ideology that come closer to that even without saying it on the crowd.
yes this's one reason,
the other is it's history and many people tend not to take everything mentioned in history as a grant.
personally, i beleive there were holocust for many people including jews, what make me do questioning are 4 things:
1- is that number of 6 millions of jews is true? and these huge numbers of told stories are really real?, notice, i don't deny jews suffering, just questioning is there any exaregation here.
2- why jews sufferings take about 90% of the attention on people discussions, movies, meusums, etc
where's russian victims, polish, gypsies, french, ..., even germans?
3- i don't like that every time someone open a discusion about this matter, he get assisinated moraly and socially, man there are laws that put people into preason because of that histroy, imagine that.
4- i don't imagine people faced all these in holocust do what i see to palestinians, it's not natural, victims tend not to repeat what happened to them on others.
kai
ragamuffin
Its easy enough to research, theres really no excuse for not reading about it from legitimate sources, if one wants to comment on it that is.
if you have such questions then just find out
your number 4, Sinbad if you had any idea of what went on in Nazi held territory you wouldnt link the two, there really is no comparison anywhere at any time.
sindbad5
Active Member
Kai, i'm not under-estimate what happened to jews, i'm critisizing under-estimating what's happening to plas, generation after generation.
there are things much worse than death, for example enforing to living in refugees camps years after years, or to convert killing and bombing to a normal regular everyday thing.
kai
ragamuffin
well its high time for a peaceful solution
kai
ragamuffin
doesnt look promising does it?
Israeli planes have bombed smuggling tunnels on Gaza's border with Egypt, the Israeli military says. The raid came after a rocket fired from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip hit the Israeli city of Ashkelon.
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Israeli planes hit Gaza tunnels
kai
ragamuffin
its the industrialisation of the murder that is staggering the infrastructure involved.
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its something that has never happened before and should never happen again
Extermination camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its something that has never happened before and should never happen again
I agree. The Holocaust wasn't just a matter of the Nazis working slave labourers until they died. It wasn't even a matter of ordering some prison guards to shoot their captives. It was an enormous undertaking... in terms of human effort, it was on the same sort of level as the Brooklyn Bridge or the Suez Canal. Things of that complexity don't just happen on a whim or by accident; they take major, detailed planning by many people and a huge expenditure of resources.
Especially telling for me is the fact that the Nazis did all this in the midst of WWII, which strained their resources to the limit as it is. Even though they needed all the synthetic fuel they could get to run their tanks, trucks and planes, and still needed to produce all sorts of other vital chemicals, they still set aside parts of their chemical industry to churn out poison gas for their concentration camps. I think this says quite a bit about how much importance the Nazis placed on their campaign of extermination.
kai
ragamuffin
A macabre industry that took everything hair,gold teeth,clothes and even skin in some cases its horrid what some humans are capable of.
I agree... and I think it's important to remember just what humans are capable of so that we can guard against it happening again.