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"God" is Truth....

Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
In everything that exists there lies a truth which we cannot know. We cannot comprehend it, but it is there and it exists. That truth cannot be "perceived" by our minds because our minds are led to misinterpretations. Our minds deceive us into thinking something is one way when in reality it is not the way we perceive it to be. Perhaps the real Truth that underlies everything is what "God" is. "God" is that which is imperceivable, but exists all around us. Perhaps "God" is that Truth. Not some deity or supernatural being we can "think up" in our minds. It is so great our minds cannot even comprehend it. Only when we remove all preconceived notions and perceptions, that truth can reveal itself. Therefore in a way, "God" (Truth) really exists, we just cannot "perceive" it.

Does that make any sense? Tell me, what do you think? Do you believe it is possible to "perceive" God?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
"God" is that which is imperceivable, but exists all around us. Perhaps "God" is that Truth. Not some deity or supernatural being we can "think up" in our minds. It is so great our minds cannot even comprehend it. Only when we remove all preconceived notions and perceptions, that truth can reveal itself. Therefore in a way, "God" (Truth) really exists, we just cannot "perceive" it.

Does that make any sense? Tell me, what do you think? Do you believe it is possible to "perceive" God?
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I think that's rather a good description of "God". We can perceive it, just not directly, or totally.

The truth is what is. But we are only able to perceive and understand a small fraction of all that is. What is left we call "God". God is the great mystery that we both fear and desire to possess.
 
darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
No i do not, i think the human perception of God is little more than wishful thinking. I think humans often like to believe that their desires are entwined with the will of God. I think we try to percieve God in order to compare our best attributes to this superior being around us, to make ourselves feel better.
It always amazes me how people so readily designate human attributes to God. Like "he wouldn't agree with this,""he would say i was doing the right thing" and so forth.

I think i understood your question, is this what you are looking for or did i just waste 2 minutes of your life, and a further 20 seconds reading this last sentence?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
In everything that exists there lies a truth which we cannot know. We cannot comprehend it, but it is there and it exists. That truth cannot be "perceived" by our minds because our minds are led to misinterpretations. Our minds deceive us into thinking something is one way when in reality it is not the way we perceive it to be. Perhaps the real Truth that underlies everything is what "God" is. "God" is that which is imperceivable, but exists all around us. Perhaps "God" is that Truth. Not some deity or supernatural being we can "think up" in our minds. It is so great our minds cannot even comprehend it. Only when we remove all preconceived notions and perceptions, that truth can reveal itself. Therefore in a way, "God" (Truth) really exists, we just cannot "perceive" it.

Does that make any sense? Tell me, what do you think? Do you believe it is possible to "perceive" God?
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Hi Runewolf, excellent inspiring post,..the efficacy of the transmission of 'your' insight is such that it is received without any distortion.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
I sense some kind of terminological problem. do we really need to use terms such as 'truth (or 'the truth') and 'God'?
Concerning the underlying 'truth' behind reality... when a brilliant physics professor succeeds in transmitting a set of physical theories or laws to students, does he transmit 'the truth' to them?
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Caladan said:
I sense some kind of terminological problem. do we really need to use terms such as 'truth (or 'the truth') and 'God'?
Concerning the underlying 'truth' behind reality... when a brilliant physics professor succeeds in transmitting a set of physical theories or laws to students, does he transmit 'the truth' to them?
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Oh, Dan, quit being so sane and reasonable! You're sapping my will to resist!



(Sorry about fruballing you with the message "LOL" -- I was laughing when I fruballed you and typed in "LOL" rather than "Good post" as I meant to type.)
 
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PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Caladan said:
I sense some kind of terminological problem. do we really need to use terms such as 'truth (or 'the truth') and 'God'?
Concerning the underlying 'truth' behind reality... when a brilliant physics professor succeeds in transmitting a set of physical theories or laws to students, does he transmit 'the truth' to them?
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We don't know. He transmits a new way of viewing what is. But the truth is WHAT IS, not how we view what is. So we never get to know if our view of what is, is accurate or not, because we can never see the whole of all that is.

It is this inevitable ignorance, and the fear that results, that cause us to create the concept of "God". By giving the unknown and unknowable a personality like our own, we can then imagine that perhaps we can manipulate that personality/unknown. And therefor control it, which alleviates our fear.

Yes this is illusion, and yes it is sophistry, but it does alleviate our fear for as long as we're able to 'buy into it'. And that's mostly all that matters to us.

When this stops working, then we can move to higher levels of consciousness, and more realistic concepts of "God".
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
PureX said:
We don't know. He transmits a new way of viewing what is. But the truth is WHAT IS, not how we view what is. So we never get to know if our view of what is, is accurate or not, because we can never see the whole of all that is.

It is this inevitable ignorance, and the fear that results, that cause us to create the concept of "God". By giving the unknown and unknowable a personality like our own, we can then imagine that perhaps we can manipulate that personality/unknown. And therefor control it, which alleviates our fear.

Yes this is illusion, and yes it is sophistry, but it does alleviate our fear for as long as we're able to 'buy into it'. And that's mostly all that matters to us.

When this stops working, then we can move to higher levels of consciousness, and more realistic concepts of "God".
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So instead of expanding our knowledge of physics and elaborating on the information, we are reaching higher levels of consciousness and progress in understanding 'God' by psychology practice alone?
this only seems like work half done to me.
physical laws is not 'how we view WHAT IS' per say, physical laws leave us no choice of viewing them any other way than how reality works.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Yes and to "view" anything is a perception. A perception that can be flawed. Scientists view and perceive many things very well indeed, but do they completely understand everything it is about that which they are perceiving? To understand absolutely everything in the Universe and how it all works is not something that can be "perceived".
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Runewolf1973 said:
Yes and to "view" anything is a perception. A perception that can be flawed. Scientists view and perceive many things very well indeed, but do they completely understand everything it is about that which they are perceiving? To understand absolutely everything in the Universe and how it all works is not something that can be "perceived".
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Does that mean we need to apply modern mythology to the things we have no full understanding of? (yet)
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Runewolf1973 said:
Yes and to "view" anything is a perception. A perception that can be flawed. Scientists view and perceive many things very well indeed, but do they completely understand everything it is about that which they are perceiving? To understand absolutely everything in the Universe and how it all works is not something that can be "perceived".
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Your point is interesting, but is it important?
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Being a Luciferian I cannot see God as the Truth. I do see Lucifer as the bearer of the truth (Tree of Knowledge) and gnosis which leads to Spiritual rebirth and the end to suffering and an unbalanced Universe.
 
Hema

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
In Hinduism, Brahman is referred to as the Absolute Truth or the Absolute Reality. The Rig Veda also says that Truth is one but is referred to by many names, or rather, God is one but is called by many names....Krishna, Allah, Jesus etc.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Caladan said:
Does that mean we need to apply modern mythology to the things we have no full understanding of? (yet)
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No. I do not believe in anything that is "mythological" or "supernatural" aside from that which is created in the minds of man. Everything that exists is natural to exist. The fact that scientists can not identify or explain everything just means that they do not and can not know the Absolute Truth. But that Truth or "absolute reality" does exist, we just can't perceive it.

All words are just ways of interpreting things and perceptions. Therefore that Absolute Truth cannot be conveyed in words. It simply exists.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Runewolf1973 said:
No. I do not believe in anything that is "mythological" or "supernatural" aside from that which is created in the minds of man. Everything that exists is natural to exist. The fact that scientists can not identify or explain everything just means that they do not and can not know the Absolute Truth. But that Truth or "absolute reality" does exist, we just can't perceive it.
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By 'modern mythology' I mean concepts such as 'absolute truth' (with capital A and C...)
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Caladan said:
By 'modern mythology' I mean concepts such as 'absolute truth' (with capital A and C...)
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Understood. In that case it leaves us no other choice but to accept an Absolute Truth. We can not deny the existence of a greater reality just because we can not thoroughly identify it. That reality is there, we just don't understand it. But these are all just more words and perceptions. My own may be flawed.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Even "Absolute Truth" is a perception. There is something which exists that goes beyond all perceptions and defies all words. Could be wrong though.
 
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