Morality of Homosexuality

angellous_evangellous said:

Originally Posted by Mike182
no boy is born saying i want to stick my penis in a vagina either, what's your point?




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that sexual relations are learned

all you did was agree that no person is biologically bound to have sex

so basically you are suggesting no gay person has a biological urge to be with the same sex

imagine that coming from a gay person

now let's watch you wiggle out of that one too

Bishadi:

I don't remember if I told you this before. I find your posts almost incomprehensible. They take so much work to decode, and contain so little useful content in return, that I stopped trying some time ago. So if I do not respond to you, that's why.

Autodidact said:

Bishadi:

I don't remember if I told you this before. I find your posts almost incomprehensible. They take so much work to decode, and contain so little useful content in return, that I stopped trying some time ago. So if I do not respond to you, that's why.

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see the line below...

i found 'one' i liked of yours too

what i think is bugging you is the language that is true, is tough to comprehend

Autodidact said:

Paul Cameron is a known liar:

In 1986 the American Sociological Association, following a report from its Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology,[19] passed a resolution condemning Dr. Cameron for "consistent misrepresentation of sociological research".[20] In 1996, the Board of Directors of the Canadian Psychological Association approved a position statement disassociating the organisation from Cameron's work on sexuality, stating that he had "consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism".[21]

Why would you believe anything he says?

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I decided it was worth repeating.

the moral idea of proposing Morality of Homosexuality to homosexuals; is moot

The idea of discussing whether Homosexuality is moral or not is a joke... Cause it is up to them, moral or not.

Bishadi said:

what i think is bugging you is the language that is true, is tough to comprehend

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No, I think what is bugging her, as well as me, is that your posts are very hard to understand. They are very poorly worded, and the punctuation makes them even more incomprehensible. There is barely anything true in your posts in this thread. It's also impossible to keep up with the amount of falsities you claim.

The long and the short of it is that there is no rational reason, outside of religion, to consider homosexuality immoral. You bring up all kinds of arguments based on false premises and using anything but logic and reason. You refuse to see the problems in your reasoning because, at this point, you're dug in to your trench and don't want to budge. The bottom line is that you don't like homosexuality, and find it icky and disgusting, so you justify your opposition to it with both religious arguments and things that have nothing to do with morality, like the ability to reproduce. you have not and cannot give a rational reason, because such a thing doesn't exist, as much as you desperately want it to. And, by the way, I'm turned off, too, when I see two men making out or doing other things. I just realize that that's my personal taste, and has nothing to do with whether or not it's moral or immoral for them to do that.

Bishadi said:

that sexual relations are learned

all you did was agree that no person is biologically bound to have sex

so basically you are suggesting no gay person has a biological urge to be with the same sex

imagine that coming from a gay person

now let's watch you wiggle out of that one too

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erm, that doesn't prove that at all. what it proves is that when we are first born, we lack the ability to express ourselves.

unless you want to prove to me that new born babies can fully and articulately express them selves in a comprehensive manor, you have to accept that a stupid observation like "A baby boy doesn't say he wants to give ********" as some sort of evidence for anything. so babies don't express sexual desire, that doesn't go either way towards proving that sexuality is nature, nurture, or somewhere in the middle.

you'll have to do a lot better than that, you think i'm wiggling but this is a cinch!

Grammar is your friend, Bishadi.

Storm said:

Grammar is your friend, Bishadi.

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Apparently not. Maybe Grammar is gay.

The Voice of Reason said:

Easy, there big fella. Let's step back and take a deep breath.

You cannot allow the ignorance of another person to force you to lose control.

Are some of the statements in this thread absurd? Absolutely!
Are some of the people posting in this thread in extreme denial? Absolutely!
Are some of these people clinging dogmatically to a barbaric religion? Absolutely!

Let's you and I just rise above the bottomless stupidity, and move on to another subject. Let them wallow in their own filth.

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Its OK now, I have had my meds and am feeling much better now thankyou, yes indeedy I am absolutely fine and dandy.

Trying to understand the thought processes (and empathising them..*shudder*) of bigots and other sadists from the tamely malign to the completely psychotic does tend to send me round the twist occasionally, but hey thats what drugs are for right?

Wow man look at my hands....

Don Penguinoini said:

The idea of discussing whether Homosexuality is moral or not is a joke... Cause it is up to them, moral or not.

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exactly......

i could care less about it

on this thread, i am even being told how I feel, from a stranger......

that i am secular, a bigot, represent nothing of truth, and even that I can't write

maybe I should be gay at least the gang will fight all comers without having to retain any integrity, common sense or compassion for others besides the gang



being gay is a choice and often learned by assimilation (they become borg)

and it does not matter if you liked to do animals......

my whole issue within this thread is keep them personal choices and the impositions away from others if not for core compassion, then of your own moral obligation of recognizing the amount of damage that can be done to the children

Mike182 said:

erm, that doesn't prove that at all. what it proves is that when we are first born, we lack the ability to express ourselves.

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and that the idea of even being gay is learned.....

so babies don't express sexual desire, that doesn't go either way towards proving that sexuality is nature, nurture, or somewhere in the middle.

you'll have to do a lot better than that, you think i'm wiggling but this is a cinch!

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you are doing fine;

gays are not born; they are created

Bishadi said:

my whole issue within this thread is keep them personal choices and the impositions away from others if not for core compassion, then of your own moral obligation of recognizing the amount of damage that can be done to the children

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Sorry, but I need more than your word that it damages children.
Especially when I see first hand that it does not.

Bishadi said:

my whole issue within this thread is keep them personal choices and the impositions away from others if not for core compassion, then of your own moral obligation of recognizing the amount of damage that can be done to the children

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Children are not damaged by learning about homosexuality.

Bishadi said:

... your own moral obligation of recognizing the amount of damage that can be done to the children

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...by passing on a legacy of closed-mindedness and fear (which is all homophobia is, hence the name).

Bishadi said:

(they become borg)

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Become borg?

standing_alone said:

Become borg?

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Borg (Star Trek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Borg - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

O.K., Muslim friends, other than your personal belief that your God doesn't like it, do you have any moral argument against homosexuality?

Bishadi: If you want me to read and respond to your posts, you will need to use a more standard english, grammar and punctuation. It would help also if you would make sense. As I said, right now I'm not finding it worth the trouble to figure out for you what you meant, only to find it doesn't make sense. Or, if you prefer, continue in your habitual posting style, and I will continue to ignore you.