lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Penguin, can you take this? I can't stand any more. :bonk:
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Why is it that the people who deny Evolution...
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If I T-bone a car at an intersection because I think the red light is green, is this a ramification of the red light?
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Yes, but eugenics is not a ramification of evolution. And neither is what Random just said.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Drop eugenics already. It was a bad example. I'm not using it anymore.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I bet about 99% of the people fixated on denying evolution agree with the general sentiments of Random's co-worker, though not with the stated reason. Substitute "because the Bible says so" for "evolved" and it's the exact same thing. Which of course shows as little understanding of the Christian gospel as Random's acquaintance has of the theory of evolution.
I already did: every body of new knowledge influences morality. Evolutionary is no different than economic theory in this regard. Even in terms of implications for our place in the universe, our relationship with God/god/gods, and the truth of various religious teachings, evolution isn't unique... cosmology, geology, and even electro-magnetic theory all have implications in this regard.
Frankly, if I were to pick the scientific ideas that have the biggest implications for theology, it'd be quantum theory and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
3.14
Well-Known Member
if the theory of evolution is correct then that would mean that dinosaurs existed way longer then man, but why would dinosaurs exist for such a long time if it was gods intention to create man, were we second choise for god?
this line of qeustioning leads to people losing faith, so rather then just accept it they ignore it to protect there faith
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No, it's just a natural, biological process.
That's because that's not how evolution works.
No it doesn't. Again, that's not how evolution works.
You can keep your bible, and I'll keep my medicine and technology.It's not that we simply cling to our bibles (which have done MUCH more to help us along in life than SCIENCE ever has)
Genetic engineering is not is the same thing as evolution.
doppelgänger;1177961 said:
Yes, I agree and that's how I percieved it too.
Whether it's because Big Daddy God In the Sky said so, or Big Daddy Scientist in the White Coat said so, the same thing when used to justify the same bunk. Often the misunderstanding is deliberate too, which is worse.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yes, I agree and that's how I percieved it too.
But unlike Big Daddy in the Sky, Big Daddy Scientist produces tangible fruits via a verifiable method.
tomspug
Absorbant
Evolution isn't a science. It's firstly an observation of natural selection, which is science. Secondly, it is a grander theory applied to nature as a whole. This most certainly is a PHILOSOPHY and not a science, because it is not observable. The present theory of evolution is much more a justification of belief systems than an actual, documented science.
If you think it is a science, what exactly are its constants and its variables? What are the "principles" of evolution. There aren't any, because ALL of its "principles" are 100% theoretical, on a scale of evidence that ranges from 'possible' to 'highly improbable' but certainly never 'likely' or even 'fact'.
Reason B: There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical of evolution. Evolution is EXACTLY as much a "science of the gaps" as intelligent design is a "god of the gaps".
If you think it is a science, what exactly are its constants and its variables? What are the "principles" of evolution. There aren't any, because ALL of its "principles" are 100% theoretical, on a scale of evidence that ranges from 'possible' to 'highly improbable' but certainly never 'likely' or even 'fact'.
Reason B: There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical of evolution. Evolution is EXACTLY as much a "science of the gaps" as intelligent design is a "god of the gaps".
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
OK. I agree with you that every body of knowledge influences morality. I also say that evolution influences it more, far more. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Theology, yes {EDIT: Well, arguably**. I'm talking morality.
No, that's not correct. Just because you aren't personally familiar with the documentation of evolution does not mean this documentation does not exist.
Here are the principles of evolution:
- all life on Earth is subject to the mechanisms of inheritibility, random mutation and natural selection.
- these mechanisms will cause successive generations to be better adapted to their environment.
- the action of these mechanisms are responsible for speciation and the variation that is observable and measurable in life, both currently and through its history.
And if you want constants and variables, here's a small sample:
Evolutionary Quantitative Genetics
Not at all. Evolution is hard science based on evidence and makes testable, falsifiable predictions.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What about bacteria that evolved a resistance to antibiotics or elephants that have evolved smaller tusks due to poaching?
Evolution isn't entirely predictable. If there was a species of animals that were introduced to a new environment, nobody would be able to know exactly what traits would be beneficial to that environment. I don't think that was ever a problem, though.
Can you confirm this, Mr. Penguin?
Can you confirm this, Mr. Penguin?
If you had a high degree of knowledge about the environment in question, you'd have a pretty good idea of what mutations would be successful and what ones wouldn't.
Random mutations are random, though, so to a certain extent, the "raw material" that natural selection can work upon can be variable.
This is kind of like a casino: it's difficult or impossible to predict how a small number of rolls of the dice will turn out, but a large number of them is predictible enough that the casino can predict the average payout per dollar bet for the whole year with very good precision.
because the theory of evolution is flawed.
evolution is not a physical thing, it is a spiritual thing, moving from one dimention to another. all holy books have a version of it.
if it were a physical thing, then what is the purpose of transhumanism via labs, microchips, nanotech, and crossing the speicies with plant, animal and human dna to create something new? by the way the scientist who are down with this maddness claim that they want this to move evolution of the human race along quicker.
evolution is not a physical thing, it is a spiritual thing, moving from one dimention to another. all holy books have a version of it.
if it were a physical thing, then what is the purpose of transhumanism via labs, microchips, nanotech, and crossing the speicies with plant, animal and human dna to create something new? by the way the scientist who are down with this maddness claim that they want this to move evolution of the human race along quicker.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
Because the theory of evolution itself evolved into far more than a simple scientific theory. It hemorrhaged into an entire mindset for the course of humanity. It itself became a sort of religion that viewed mankind as having a sort of Manifest Destiny.
Evolution is not simply contrary to biblical literalism. It "imagines" a world where humans can 'evolve' into something more than they already are, even though there is no evidence that civilized society has grown more intelligent, peaceful, understanding, wise, healthy, or strong than it was thousands and thousands of years ago.
THIS is the problem that Christians have with evolution. It turns mankind into a kind of god. It's not that we simply cling to our bibles (which have done MUCH more to help us along in life than SCIENCE ever has
I'm not discounting the EVIDENCE of evolution, I just think that the EVIDENCE might actually point to a more believable conclusion.
I am a Christian who believes in evolution and can describe how it applies to the Bible. Any thoughts?