Melody
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Intuition, extrasensory perception, clairvoyance....lots of names to describe them.robtex said:could you name those senses and describe them please.
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Intuition, extrasensory perception, clairvoyance....lots of names to describe them.robtex said:could you name those senses and describe them please.
Just as I cannot prove the existence of God to someone who refuses to believe...so I cannot prove that there is such a thing as clairvoyance, ESP or that intuition is not based on your other senses because no matter what instances I give you where people uses these senses, you'll always come up with "but that's not proof" and "they're just guessing". I've had this conversation with others who also believe in only their 5 senses.robtex said:1) intuition is the adroit application of a combination of the other 5 senses
2) extrasensory (outside of senses) means non sensory. The defintion is self defeating and its ambiguity fails to name a specific way of detection.
3) clairavoyance does not exist and has been assessed not to exist..if you claim clairvoyance does not exist please provide proof.
there is only 5 senses no more no less.
define spirt.
There are actually more than a few ways.If you're born blind, how does someone prove to you that color exists?
You say that most of modern man dismisses this through "tests and technology" but how do you test for something you don't believe in or understand enough to know what to look for?robtex said:The mythical world of magic that you propose where there are soothsayers clairvoyants and the like have long been dismissed by most of modern man by tests and technology. If you choose to have faith in God today you do so on that which cannot be evidenced. Plain and simple.
Skeptics will always be skeptics. I know you can heal with the power of prayer. There are numberous accounts of people who were found to have cancer or a tumor or some other illness but when they went back in for treatment, no evidence was found. Of course the skeptics will say that they didn't have it to begin with and there was some mixup.linwood said:ESP has been intensively studied by science and law enforcement.
All for naught.
1) Intuition is 'instinctive knowing, without the use of rational processes' - I think that that classifies intuition as using more than a combination of the other 5 senses. (in that it uses animal instinct which is not a sense, but which is a part of the genetic makeup.robtex said:1) intuition is the adroit application of a combination of the other 5 senses
2) extrasensory (outside of senses) means non sensory. The defintion is self defeating and its ambiguity fails to name a specific way of detection.
3) clairavoyance does not exist and has been assessed not to exist..if you claim clairvoyance does not exist please provide proof.
there is only 5 senses no more no less.
define spirt.
Melody:Melody said:You say that most of modern man dismisses this through "tests and technology" but how do you test for something you don't believe in or understand enough to know what to look for?
I do have evidence that God exists because I feel (with my physical senses) his presence in my life and I see his hand in the shaping of my life....but you are correct in that I can't prove it to you anymore than I can prove to a blind man that color exists. However, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist....just that you don't believe it exists.
It's one of those areas where we'll never find common ground.
Here are just a few. There are thousands more.linwood said:Can you point me to these studies or name a hospital that uses this method?
If you confessed that he is God, then you would not be a Muslim. I will make the Christian confession. Peace be with you as well.Cordoba said:<< Would you please tell us where God has gone, how long will he remain there, will we ever see him again? >>
Jesus peace be upon him is not God.
He is God's prophet, and Muslims believe that Jesus will indeed one day return:
http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/index2.html
All the best.
I must say that I understand your reasoning. I think that you believe that if you can establish that humans have only five senses, and everything flows from the five sences, and since God cannot be discovered by these means, then God does not exist. I must agree with this reasoning, it makes perfect sense.robtex said:Okman very jedi type of post but which of the 5 senses do you talk to god with? I don't see what dreaming has to do with finding God and if you think their is another sense besides those accpeted by biologist as the 5 senses could you please name it and supporting evidence for it.
On your last paragraph about Jesus, lets say for arguements sake he did die on the cross and ascended to the right hand of the father.......he isn't here right now is he? He is suppose to come back on judgement day ...ie he is gone....that theory is supportive of the original post.
Melody I don't refuse to believe or choose not to believe. By use of rationalization and information about the world around me I have been unable to find God. That is an interesting way to phrase it though because you choose to believe in that which cannot be evidenced and I reationalize that without evidence I am unable to achieve faith.
As far as your blind /color analogy Spinks beat it to death somewhere else on here.but others precieve that colors exist through the sense of sight (ie one of the 5 and only 5 existing senses) God has never been precieved by anyone that can be collaborated by an independant witness via the 5 senses.
The mythical world of magic that you propose where there are soothsayers clairvoyants and the like have long been dismissed by most of modern man by tests and technology. If you choose to have faith in God today you do so on that which cannot be evidenced. Plain and simple.
What I was pointing out on this thead is that on Alex's original post he said God made the world and split. Since God is not evidencable to be present at this time, an indisputable fact, since all have failed to produce God in this century, I submit that Alex's theory on this thread holds more weight than those who say God is everpresent in our lives.