what would be "perfection"?

This idea that we all fall short of "perfection"
I have noticed comes up quite a bit by christians
but then there seems to be a general agreement about it all around.

This idea that no one lives a perfect life.
This idea that no one is "perfect".

So I ask the question...
What would constitute a "perfect" life?

If we all agree that "no one is perfect",
what is this elusive "perfection" that no one is?

Is there really a such thing as perfection?

Is perfection something you can do?
or be?
is it something you "are"?
or is it possibly how you experience life?

Would a perfect experience of life,
constitute a perfect life?

What would be a perfect experience of life for you?

UltraViolet said:

What would be a perfect experience of life for you?

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I have access to technology, but do not rely on it. I have access to transportation, but rarely use it. I have access to weapons of defense, but rarely resort to fighting. I return to folk traditions and systems of barter. My food is sweet, my shoes are sensible, my house is orderly, and my life is without anxiety. Even though my neighbors are close enough for me to hear their chickens and dogs, I spend the entire rest of my life in my garden and never visit them.

What would constitute a "perfect" life?

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Perfect conformation to God's will throughout the entirety of one's life...

I think prefection is being all knowing, able to control everything, and never doing anything wrong.

Everything is perfect, because everything is perfectly thingly.

Willamena said:

Everything is perfect, because everything is perfectly thingly.

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So what you are saying is we are all perfect because we are perfectly ourselves. Hmmm. Interesting.

UltraViolet said:

So I ask the question...
What would constitute a "perfect" life?

If we all agree that "no one is perfect",
what is this elusive "perfection" that no one is?

Is there really a such thing as perfection?

Is perfection something you can do?
or be?
is it something you "are"?
or is it possibly how you experience life?

Would a perfect experience of life,
constitute a perfect life?

What would be a perfect experience of life for you?

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What constitutes a perfect life? What constitutes living "perfectly"?

Realisation that everything is perfect. Realisation that you are perfect. If you don't think you are perfect, then how can your life be anything else?

It's as simple as that.

methylatedghosts said:

What constitutes a perfect life? What constitutes living "perfectly"?

Realisation that everything is perfect. Realisation that you are perfect. If you don't think you are perfect, then how can your life be anything else?

It's as simple as that.

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Is Hitler perfect?

UltraViolet said:

This idea that we all fall short of "perfection"
I have noticed comes up quite a bit by christians
but then there seems to be a general agreement about it all around.

This idea that no one lives a perfect life.
This idea that no one is "perfect".

So I ask the question...
What would constitute a "perfect" life?

If we all agree that "no one is perfect",
what is this elusive "perfection" that no one is?

Is there really a such thing as perfection?

Is perfection something you can do?
or be?
is it something you "are"?
or is it possibly how you experience life?

Would a perfect experience of life,
constitute a perfect life?

What would be a perfect experience of life for you?

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In my belief, no human can obtain perfection in God's eyes except Jesus.. He lived without sin.

Furthermore, I believe those that think they are close to perfection are the furtherest from it and those that think they are far from it, are most likely closest to it.

UltraViolet said:

Would a perfect experience of life,
constitute a perfect life?

What would be a perfect experience of life for you?

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Well, I do not believe in a state beyond which there is no possibility of change (ie. perfect). My thinking is that that would rob one of the impetus to grow, as one had already achieved perfection.

That being said, I play the role, you know as me, to utter perfection. I am consumately "me". No one else can play my role as well as I do, so I have achieved a form of perfection -- in THAT sense. Then again, the same can be said for everyone else alive, dead or yet to be. In essence, it is a pretty meaningless ideal.

Nick Soapdish said:

Is Hitler perfect?

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Absolutely! Hitler was perfectly being who he was being. There ain't no more perfect than that! Same for you or me.

I really did mean everything and everyone when I said it!

But many people disagree. Why? Because it seems too good to be true!

UltraViolet said:

So I ask the question...
What would constitute a "perfect" life?

Is perfection something you can do?
or be?
is it something you "are"?
or is it possibly how you experience life?

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I believe that the word "perfect" actually has at least two meanings. One of them means, "without defect" and the other means "complete." So I would have to say that the answers to your questions would depend in part on which of these definitions you were focusing on.

methylatedghosts said:

Absolutely! Hitler was perfectly being who he was being. There ain't no more perfect than that! Same for you or me.

I really did mean everything and everyone when I said it!

But many people disagree. Why? Because it seems too good to be true!

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So your attribute of "perfect" is meaningless. I think the idea behind the OP is to assign perfection to perfect morality. Do you believe in morality?

Willamena said:

Everything is perfect, because everything is perfectly thingly.

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Is there ever a time I don't love your answers?

Perfection is attained by being fully content with oneself.

YmirGF said:

Well, I do not believe in a state beyond which there is no possibility of change (ie. perfect). My thinking is that that would rob one of the impetus to grow, as one had already achieved perfection.

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That's an interesting thought to me,
because I view life as being all about change,
shifting and newness, and creativity.
An ever unfolding experience...
in which nothing ever really holds a single unchanging form.

I think that's why to me,
there is no such pinnacle of "perfection".
There is no such thing as a "static" or "stationary" perfection.
That would amount to little more than idolized statuary.

Can a work of art be perfect?
a perfection maybe...
but what would render it "perfect"?
Same with a person.

I think the very best we can be
is to simply be our truest selves.
That would be our perfection I guess.
But that hardly makes us "perfect".

I suppose one could say a person is
"perfectly evil"
"perfectly splendid"
"perfectly naughty"
"perfectly wonderful"

But still someone else might be better at it than them!
and surely they could take it to the next level ... right?

Perfection is a fleeting concept.
and yet at the same time everything is perfectly what it is.

To live fully aware in each moment
as (a) creative sentient being...
is about the most perfect experience of life I know.

Thanks all for sharing your thoughts.
Lots of interesting considerations.

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So your attribute of "perfect" is meaningless. I think the idea behind the OP is to assign perfection to perfect morality. Do you believe in morality?

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Not so. What does my attribute of "perfect" mean? It means we cannot fail.

What is "imperfect" is not REAL-ising this! Imperfection is being perfect and not making it real, to not remember so.

Thus, if you do not realise this, then you are going to find it extremely hard to "attain" "perfection", because you are looking to become something greater than What You Really Are, and there is nothing greater. That is "imperfection". That is "hell".

EDIT: woops, forgot the morality question.

Do I believe in morality?

A hard question to answer. I believe we all have a sense of things we agree and disagree to. And from that a thing is either labelled as "good" (agree) or "bad" (disagree). Further development, I think, shows people become more sensitive to the effects on others, and from that call a thing "good" (others situation improved) or "bad" (others situation worsened). I think even more development shows that people have a "morality" because they see a truth in "what I do to others, I do to me". So morality is a difficult question. But do I believe in morality? I will poke an answer called "yes" in the sense that most people think they know what "right" is as opposed to "wrong".

Possibly more thoughts later (If you're lucky )

methylatedghosts said:

Not so. What does my attribute of "perfect" mean? It means we cannot fail.

What is "imperfect" is not REAL-ising this! Imperfection is being perfect and not making it real, to not remember so. .......

Possibly more thoughts later (If you're lucky )

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Ahhhh.... A creative "speller" after my own heart!:hearts:
I actually understood that you know?!!
Truly Frightening.:areyoucra

If I'm lucky I'll understand the rest as well!

I do not ACTUALLY believe IN morality myself.

I do all my believing from with/IN the Sentient Living Universe
(which I also call God)
as I am INspired to "find" meaning there.
So really I do all my believing (from with)IN my own personal reality construct.

Morality is not a concept I any longer "enter-INto".
I find that Love Alone covers everything.
So I live In Love.... because it gives me the greatest Joy.

UltraViolet said:

Ahhhh.... A creative "speller" after my own heart!:hearts:
I actually understood that you know?!!
Truly Frightening.:areyoucra

If I'm lucky I'll understand the rest as well!

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Well, you know me Violet!! it's a straight world without twisties!!!

You'll Under-stand soon enough

I imagine though, I wouldn't have much use for just your heart, I'd prefer to be after the whole of YOU!

Morality is not a concept I any longer "enter-INto".
I find that Love Alone covers everything.
So I live in Love.... because it gives me the greatest Joy.

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I must say, I do agree with this. So, be glad that today, you affected at least one life for the better!!! D