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Racism in our ranks!!

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
Salaams.

Firstly I want to talk about a touchy subject to me, and that is racism among the muslims. This is not a slam against any pakistani's nor arabs, but I will be talking at length about my encounters with both.

As you all may well know I am black. I live in a black community and I live in Chicago, which btw is one of the most segregated cities in the US still to this day. All the racial groups live in their own neighborhoods, with only a few mixed 'hoods. It is no different for muslims. All the indo-pak people live on one side of town, the arabs to one side, and the blacks to one side. We try to have functions where we can all get together but many people do not want these functions because we experience racism. For the most part, the arabs and indian-pakistans don't want anything to do with the black muslims. When they come to visit our masajid, they eat only their food. When they give sadaqa they give only to their own people. The arabs and pakistanis do not trust that we are even muslim alot of times. For instance if we go to a pakistani 'hood and to the masjid, they will ask us if we are muslim. Now, mind you we are dressed in the sunnah, so there is no need to ask that. They will ask if we are with farakhan and everything, and it's very insulting. They ask if we know how to read Quran, can we make salaat, do we know how to fast and do the most basic things of deen. Most are astonished if we display any knowledge of deen at all, and we are largely disrespected.

Now, by no means is this a one-way street. As a result of this, some of us have had less than stellar attitudes and ikhlaq with them too. Sometimes without prior provocation, if any pakistani or arab say something that a black person thought was offensive, the black person will fly off the handle. Some fo us have been banned form their masjids due to this behaviour, and in some cases rightly so, (if you can ban somebody, which I don't agree with, but I could see the reasoning behind it). Some blacks have gone to those masjids to beg for money repeatedly. They were asked not to come back but then after that, all blacks who come there in need of sadaqa are asked to come only once, and vow never to come back asking for help again. The blacks ask the pakis and arabs because they have money. They are generally wealthy, while the blacks around me are generally poor. The only blacks who have money are farakhan people, and w.d. muhammad people, but we don't ask them for money because one group is clearly not muslim, and the other group is questionable. This is also rare. As a group we ask for nothing. What we do not have we simply do without. Help is not offered and neither is it requested. Those who ask for money are on an individual basis.


Now understand I am not talking about every non-black muslim I know. I actually think arabs and pakistanis are pretty cool people. It's just that they really don't want to mix with us at all, even during deeni activities and so it is really disturbing to me. This is totally against deen. I do not know what we as a whole can do to resolve this issue. I don't know why the commonality of iman is not enough to bring us together, and make us become accustomed to one another. Whenever we are around each other, the sister as well as the borthers, we are all so uncomfortable. I am already an introverted person, and it getrs worse when I don't feel welcomed to a place. I mean we'll all be sitting let's say to eat, and all the pakistanis will speak urdu, and the arabs will speak arabic. Only a few of us even understand the languages, so it makes a language barrier when there is none, because all of us can speak english. I find only the youth do not ac this way. IF they are young and born here, I mean like high school and college aged, they have a tendancy to be more friendly and relate better. If they were born here but are older (like 30's and up), or are immigrants, we can forget having social ties. It's all really sad.



Does anyone else experience something similar where they are?
 

maro

muslimah
oh FVM , this is very shameful and disgusting !! , i can't believe that there is something called our mosque and their mosque !
Racism even in the houses of allah ,how dare those people ?

in egypt, we don't have any kind of racism among muslims alhamdollilah , but we have many other phenomena and traditions against the spirit of deen :(

Islam is the religion of binding ,unity and brotherhood ! why muslims are like that with each other !
i think this is one of the prophesies of prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
I'm frequently asked if I'm Muslim at my Mosque since I'm white, but I'm largely respected. It's shocked Muslims have that problem at all.
 

Peace

Quran & Sunnah
I am really so sorry to hear that! it's really a shame :( I didn't know that such a shameful behavior happens between Muslim. Haven't they every heard the Hadith of our dear Prophet peace be upon him when he said :The most honoured amongst you is the most righteous one, there is no preference of an Arab over a ‘Ajami’ except for righteousness”.
May Allah guide the Muslims to be really one united Ummah! Then and only then we can attain victory!

Peace
 

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
I'm frequently asked if I'm Muslim at my Mosque since I'm white, but I'm largely respected. It's shocked Muslims have that problem at all.

You know sadly if you were here you'd be treated with the utmost respect. The paki's and arabs would love you here and offer you their daughters hand in marriage. A black muslim man cannot get that. If he is a good muslim, and he has good money, and a good looking guy, he cannot hope to get a pakistani girl or an arab girl as his wife. Her father would simply not allow it. In the black neighborhood we would accept you cuz we accept pretty much everybody. Not necessarily cuz we're so nice, but because we can't be bothered to discriminate...takes too much energy.


As a side note I really like to see whites and asians become muslim. I guess it's because I see so many somalians, sudanese, pakistani's, arabs, ethiopians, and puerto ricans, that I hardly ever see any whites or asians that are muslims. I guess I like it because I consider those two races to be the most distant from accepting anything close to Islam. I don't know why I feel that. Maybe cuz where I am the whites are either non-theistic, atheistic, or christian.
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
You know sadly if you were here you'd be treated with the utmost respect. The paki's and arabs would love you here and offer you their daughters hand in marriage. A black muslim man cannot get that. If he is a good muslim, and he has good money, and a good looking guy, he cannot hope to get a pakistani girl or an arab girl as his wife. Her father would simply not allow it. In the black neighborhood we would accept you cuz we accept pretty much everybody. Not necessarily cuz we're so nice, but because we can't be bothered to discriminate...takes too much energy.

Well I'm currently engaged to a Yemeni girl and her family are gonna hate me because I'm white =P. Yemenis are only supposed to marry other Yemenis.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You know sadly if you were here you'd be treated with the utmost respect. The paki's and arabs would love you here and offer you their daughters hand in marriage. A black muslim man cannot get that. If he is a good muslim, and he has good money, and a good looking guy, he cannot hope to get a pakistani girl or an arab girl as his wife. Her father would simply not allow it. In the black neighborhood we would accept you cuz we accept pretty much everybody. Not necessarily cuz we're so nice, but because we can't be bothered to discriminate...takes too much energy.


Thank you Hakimah, for starting a very relative and touchy subject which we all have to consider.

I believe you are right 100%. I read all the books of Jeffrey Lang, a white professor who embraced Islam. I especially love the last book of his entitled "Losing My Religion: A Call For Help". He highlited this issue one amongst many problems the american youth face today, and he explained the difference between the huge warm welcoming he received by everybody when he recited the shahada and between another case where two black men did so few days later, who didn't receivee that much of an attention as what Jeff had.

Here in my university in Malaysia, one of my friends is a young american black guy--i forgot from which state he is, sorry--and we were talking about this issue befoer few months ago. By the way, his mom is originally indian (american indian not indian from india :D) and his father is black. Both of his parents weren't muslims then they embraced Islam.

MashAllah, he is very knowledgable and he leads us in the taraweeh prayer in this Ramadan even he is younger than most of us.

Anyway, that day, we were talking about this white and black thing in America, and how arabs react toward it, and he told me that the arabs who comes to America think when they get married with a white girl is like getting a BMW or Benz car, compared to other races. :cover: So those arabs who get married with white girls--not all of them of course--feel so proud of it, bla bla, even if she wasn't a muslim and she raised for him uneductaed children about their religion. Me and the other guys were laughing at that but we were really frustrated about it.

Here in Malaysia, the locals are obssesed with white people, contrary to other races, maybe because of the american movies they watch, but there are also many of them who love black people for their songs :D, and many local girls love black guys for reasons i shouldn't mention here. :p

In general, white people are more welcomed amongst arabs and pakis compared to black people in America, and this is a fact which no one can deny, but it's so rare in the middle east because all races are mixed with each other, so i'm wondering why they would change when they go to America? :sarcastic

In the middle east, there is no such thing as separation in cities or nieghbourhood between races and i never heard of it my whole life except in america.

Hmmm, this is what is going in my mind right now and i might come back to add some more to this topic.

I just remembered now, one of the desciples of prophet Mohammed but i forgot his name (i always forget everythinggggggg) who was an arab from a great tribe at that time, anyway, one of the times, he got angry from bilal (he was black), so he called him "son of the black woman", then we bilal got angry and complained to prophet Mohammed, prophet Mohammed got soooooooo angry and his face turned to red and this was a sign that he is really angry, so the guy thought that he is doomed, so he directly went to bilal and put his own face on the ground and asks bilal to step on it to revenge for himself, but bilal didn't and they forgave each other. Then, no body ever did or said such a thing after that.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well I'm currently engaged to a Yemeni girl and her family are gonna hate me because I'm white =P. Yemenis are only supposed to marry other Yemenis.

There one muslim white woman in this forum, who is married to a yemeni man, by the way.

Good luck man. :)

I don't think they will hate you. It depends on how open they are about giving their daughter to someone from another culture, etc. Anyway, as long as you and your girl are happy then you don't have to worry. :)
 

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
In general, white people are more welcomed amongst arabs and pakis compared to black people in America, and this is a fact which no one can deny, but it's so rare in the middle east because all races are mixed with each other, so i'm wondering why they would change when they go to America? :sarcastic

I think it has to do with whatever reason they came to the US for in the first place. I think one reason why some arabs don't like us is because they have pride over being muslim, and wonder how and why anyone from america could become muslim. I have been grilled so many times about why I would choose this type of Islam. Why didn't I become a "black muslim" with farakhan where I belong, rather than try to be like arabs and have real Islam? I have gotten into my fare share of arguments over that little piece of garbage words. What a thing to say! A few ramadans ago, I met up with this type of situation. I went into a store (because the arabs own all the small grocery stores) and the guy behind the counter looks at me all funny. Then he asks me am I a muslim. So I say yeah. Then he says to me, I don't have to wear all this hijab, and why dont I dress like the other girls and stick to my own culture. Now mind you, during all this talkin git's ramadan and he's eating peanuts. So I let him speak. Then I said "so who's culture is it to eat in braod daylight in ramadan?" Then he got angry and whatever. I was like "whatever dude, you're eating. Try to make a salaat and fast for the first time in your life dude". Just a little taste of the crap I go through sometimes.
 

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
A'ooothu Billah, wallahul musta'aan.


Tell me about it. I mean the biggest thing that got me was he was straight eating peanuts. I'm sorry but you can't tell me nothing about deen, and you're a healthy muslim male eating peanuts in broad daylight in ramadan. C'mon man.....I can't take knowledge from you. It was disgusting to watch him pop peanut after peanut in his mouth while the orders of Allah are just being blatently broken. Don't try to tell me what I ain't gotta do for my Lord, just worry about what you gotta do for Him. We can start by putting the peanuts on ice......:D
 

AbuQuteiba

Active Member
Tell me about it. I mean the biggest thing that got me was he was straight eating peanuts. I'm sorry but you can't tell me nothing about deen, and you're a healthy muslim male eating peanuts in broad daylight in ramadan. C'mon man.....I can't take knowledge from you. It was disgusting to watch him pop peanut after peanut in his mouth while the orders of Allah are just being blatently broken. Don't try to tell me what I ain't gotta do for my Lord, just worry about what you gotta do for Him. We can start by putting the peanuts on ice......:D

I wanted to ask you, ukhti. Is it hard for Americans, like yourself, to do hijrah? And would it be better for Muslims on manhaj As-Sunnah, like yourself, to stay in America, or leave? Do you think being there is helping the Ummah? Baarak Allahu feek.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
I say this with the utmost respect to Muslims. You can search my posts and you will not find me speaking against the Muslim faith anywhere. As a matter of fact, I have avoided confrontation with Muslims in this forum. My personal belief is we share the five books of Moses and somewhere after Noah's flood we drifted apart. Does anyone realize that my God the father is also the Muslim God? That said, some Muslims need to learn to develop a little tolerance for folks unlike themselves. They ask for tolerance but it seems to be a one way street with them. I would like to focus on what we have in common more and coexist peacefully with one another.
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
I say this with the utmost respect to Muslims. You can search my posts and you will not find me speaking against the Muslim faith anywhere. As a matter of fact, I have avoided confrontation with Muslims in this forum. My personal belief is we share the five books of Moses and somewhere after Noah's flood we drifted apart. Does anyone realize that my God the father is also the Muslim God? That said, some Muslims need to learn to develop a little tolerance for folks unlike themselves. They ask for tolerance but it seems to be a one way street with them. I would like to focus on what we have in common more and coexist peacefully with one another.

I think this is the first time I've agreed with you on something.
 

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
I wanted to ask you, ukhti. Is it hard for Americans, like yourself, to do hijrah? And would it be better for Muslims on manhaj As-Sunnah, like yourself, to stay in America, or leave? Do you think being there is helping the Ummah? Baarak Allahu feek.


My personal feelings on this is that Allah places muslims everywhere. That He gave us hidayyat here says to me that deen can be practiced here also. Who knows what kind of rewards Allah will have in store for us for trying our best to practice deen in an environment unconducive to it? I choose to stay and practice Islam here in this very place. Maybe if I had money I would leave, but as it stands I do not. I feel it would be easier overall to practice around muslims, I have never experienced that. It isn't so bad to me because I grew up here, it is my home after all. If I felt like I could not fulfill my obligations to Allah I would leave. I do feel like we have a job to do to establosh Islam among the muslims where we are. We are weak here, and we need every one of us to keep together.
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
My personal feelings on this is that Allah places muslims everywhere. That He gave us hidayyat here says to me that deen can be practiced here also. Who knows what kind of rewards Allah will have in store for us for trying our best to practice deen in an environment unconducive to it? I choose to stay and practice Islam here in this very place. Maybe if I had money I would leave, but as it stands I do not. I feel it would be easier overall to practice around muslims, I have never experienced that. It isn't so bad to me because I grew up here, it is my home after all. If I felt like I could not fulfill my obligations to Allah I would leave. I do feel like we have a job to do to establosh Islam among the muslims where we are. We are weak here, and we need every one of us to keep together.

In NZ there are only 23,000 Muslims!

Among a population of 4 million however.
 

fullyveiled muslimah

Evil incarnate!
And in America there are over 1 million muslims. There are at least more than 300,000 muslims in Chicago alone. This is how uncoordinated we are, and how separate. For all the muslims around me I have yet to experience life in a muslim community. We have not yet learned that this is important for iman. We think (here we is black muslims) that living in a community means we get to be in each others business. The real reason I have not experienced community living among muslims of my own race, is simply because many of us like to practice OUR OWN deen, rather than practice the deen of Allah andh His rasul.


Mcteeth, you are a relatively new muslim with much to learn. I am going to give you some lasting advice. Never ever practice Islam according to the standards you make up for yourself, and never becom content with the level of deen you practice. There is a standard of deen already presented by Allah and His rasul and it does not change. If you cannot reach that standard make the effort, for Allah loves the effort of obedience often times more thant he obedience itself. Establish your salaat....and then never ever let go of it. If salaat is ever neglected, don't hesitate to make it up and continue. Know that if you ever give up salaa, then shaytan gets a grip that is hard to shake. Salaat is the foundation of your good deeds, and leads to others. Know that the problems you see around you of the muslim community worldwide is caused by the neglect of salaat, and then the neglect of all other duties to Allah. Most importantly, never lose trust and hope in Allah. Neither His compassion, His mercy, nor His forgiveness.


I hope I didn't come to hard, but these are things I wish someone would have told me in the beginning. Alas, I learned them anyway and am still learning them. I have found them to be invaluable to the preservation of my iman. So I like to pass it on when I can. I'm happy you have embraced iman. It really is the best thing since sliced bread :)
 

Starsoul

Truth
I think it has to do with whatever reason they came to the US for in the first place. I think one reason why some arabs don't like us is because they have pride over being muslim, and wonder how and why anyone from america could become muslim. I have been grilled so many times about why I would choose this type of Islam. Why didn't I become a "black muslim" with farakhan where I belong, rather than try to be like arabs and have real Islam? I have gotten into my fare share of arguments over that little piece of garbage words. What a thing to say! A few ramadans ago, I met up with this type of situation. I went into a store (because the arabs own all the small grocery stores) and the guy behind the counter looks at me all funny. ...snip...snip.
Salaams and greetings :) I joined fairly new to these forums and well i had to pitch in my opinion about your post.

While you are right in feeling a bit of a difference of attitudes from pakistani/asian muslims and arabs, I must say that all are not the same. I must however remind you, or refresh your 'know how' of muslims of These Regions, it is an unsaid understood dilemma, but the muslim world HAS changed significantly post nine eleven, as much as the whole world seems to have shifted its biases more openly towards the muslims. Muslims now are more aware of things that they should've been a decade ago and i guess with time things will get better Insha'Allah.

I myself have experienced the frustrations that you have pointed out in your post, at even being living in a muslim country and yet trying to justify why i dress a certain way or don't attend the functions which involve un-islamic activities. You must know that the muslim community has been going through a very dormant, passively frigid and constricted phase, which thankfully is now improving Alhamdulilah. And why we went through this phase, is the love and illusions of this world which had time and again made us forget our purpose in life.

Now, i have an african american muslim friend who i really Adore, she's my most cherished buddy, she's a wonderful person (from virginia, i hope you know her though :) ) and we get along so well and to be honest i love her community, her aunts, her lil cousins and the rice and chicken they make and they are very warm people i must say! But Since her family functions are a bit too culturally influenced mixed with american stuff and etc, i have been to her invitations, but as it is with me i cannot sit in an unislamic setting for long, it starts debilitating my eman. So that could be my reason for not going to her cultural rich events, but that does not mean that i hold her in any less regard, but yes i have been unable to cite the reason of my absence from her functions, she's sensitive and i'd never hurt her, maybe i could get around it someday but initially it may have felt odd to her had i said so.

Coming to the racist thing you said, I'm actually surprised because i find african americans to be very open ,frank people and quite fun to be with. I have never experienced any odd vibes around them(even if they wernt muslims )and I being Afghan/pakistan origin , can tell you this that the ONLY reason people from this region might not communicate much with them in US, could largely be due to their inability to understand the dialect of Afros :eek: .

AND the fact how densly Asian in origin we are that we never really get any exposure to different races like the whites or Africans in general, there are very few metro cities where you seldom get to see them but they never form any part of our social structure, hence the alienation thing is a bit inherent and a dumb reaction as our first confused (sometimes prolonged) response to other races i guess. :p

Also,The Afros speak VERY fast and its VERY difficult for us to pick up on that accent and its terminology, no matter how educated they (pakistanis and arabs) seem , dont mistake their lack of understanding for anything else, like in my circle I was the only one who could talk for a bit longer to my afro friend, the rest would just give up the excercise after a few sentences, being 'unable' to grasp their sense of humor AND their English, and i knew what was going on and my friend thought that those ppl wern't too welcoming, which i agree is an attitude which should change with the fact that afros should realize that their lang is wayyyyyyyy above the the usual perceptive ability of Asians and Arabs, unless they have been brought up entirely in Us.

Having said that, I don't really believe that its any justification for keeping a distance with a different race. Our Prophet had one of his most dear companions to be of African origin, Hazrat Bilal (RA) who was from habsha and he is one of the most respected Sahaba of Islam.

I encourage you to take up this matter in any amiable way you could (since you write so well MashAllah and your poetry is excellent ) with the Arab/pakistani community out there, whether with an article, a newsletter dropped in their houses or any such thing. They must know the impression that they are creating and they must shake that impression off quick. All the best to you and hope to see you around as I've noticed you not much here. BarakAllah feeki :)
 
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