FFH
Veteran Member
They aren't growing crops to produce ethanol, they are using the waste materials from these crops, like citrus (www.XEthanol.com), wheat, corn (www.PacificEthanol.com) or whatever (www.ConvergenceEthanol.com)I wasn't addressing biofuels made from waste. If we can make that work, it beats tossing the stuff in landfills. I was only addressing growing crops to produce ethanol.
I've been to Atlanta and know exactly what you mean. Here in Utah I can get away with it because I live outside Salt Lake away from all the major traffic, but still I was hit once and spent a year recovering...I miss my bike. But bike riding in Atlanta is like having a death wish, and my doc says I am in no condition to ride one now anyway. Dizzy spells and bike riding do NOT mix.
Yeah well I only drive 7 miles to work and have ridden my bycicle, taken the bus and even walked the 7 miles a few timesMy dream is to retire to a small town near where I grew up, where you can walk anywhere. Or possibly to some other country where they don't worship cars quite like we do or have to cope with the distances we have.
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Show me the proof of this. Ethyl alcohol is crystal clear. It looks like water and has almost no smell and burns clean...You're dead wrong about this, FFH. For people who have food allergies, consuming ethyl alcohol made from the substance that the person is allergic to will trigger an allergic response.
I would be surprised to hear that any have any reaction to being around it.
Show me the proof of this.
Buy some ethanol and smell it and look at it it's safe unlike gas...
I've poured it on the pavement as a cleaner and it almost immediately evaporates with no residue or traces of it ever being on the pavement...
There is no way that you could have an allergic reaction to this stuff..It's pure alcohol and I know you drink so you are obviously not allergic to alcohol, which ethanol basically is. Just a fruit, grain and biomass alcohol distilled from the sugars naturally occuring in these biodegradeable materials.
If you're not allergic to sugar then you are not allergic to alcohol or ethanol, which is what ethanol is derived from.
Vinegar is not pure alcohol or ethyl alcohol. You drink don't you ???It is for this reason I have to make ALL of my condiments -- ketchup, mustard, mayo, using apple cider or wine vinegar. If I buy anything off the shelf, it's made with distilled white vinegar, which is usually made from corn, and I will be sick as a dog afterwards.
And you are not going to be drinking the stuff anyway or even breathing it, it burns clean, just the 15 percent gas in E85 (85 percent ethanol 15 percent gas) puts out harmful emissions.
Drinking alcohol produces vomiting so what else is new. Are you saying that just being around ethyl alcohol is going to make someone vomit. No one is going to fill up with this stuff and then take a swig at the pump and again it burns clean...Or you could watch my business partner with her gluten allergy consume ethyl alcohol made from gluten-based grains. It's kind of hard to miss her reaction, as you have to duck and cover to avoid having her projectile vomit all over you. :cover:
There is absolutely no way anyone will get sick just from filling up with ethanol. This is just ignorance on the consumers part...
Okay fine, but no one is going to be ingesting ethanol at the pump.If you check out some of the food allergy websites, you'll see what I'm saying is true. It does matter where the ethyl alcohol comes from.
So just breathing the fumes of ethanol is going to make you, and all others allergic to ethyl alcohol, sick ????
But if it's not ingested I don't see a problem. It's crystal clear and has been purified to no end. I highly doubt ethanol has any traces of the origianl plant in it..just a distilled sugar based chemical..As long as you don't have a fool allergy related to the source of the ethanol, in which case the stuff is highly toxic to you.
Okay fine but you are smelling a whole grain, not a sugar based distilled/processed alcohol..Allergies to what? It makes a huge difference. It makes my business partner ill to step into a bakery, but I have no problem with it. It makes me ill to step into a movie theatre, but she has no problem with it.
There is no may that smelling ethanol will bring about an allergic reaction.If you're talking about airborne allergies like pollen and mold, you're talking apples and oranges here.
Show me the cases, I'ld like to see proof of any such case... If there are any it would be extremely rare, I would think..
It's way safer than gas and evaporates cleanly if spilled and almost immediately with no residue.. Very very very safe...And I'm not saying gas is such a wonderful alternative overall -- people have problems with that too.
Ethanol based from wood and paper mill waste is the next step towards converting ethanol from municipal (toilet) waste, which is processed every day and the water sent back out to us to drink. That waste could be used to fuel our cars and it will, it has been prophesied this will happen..But if we go hogwild with ethanol made from wheat, corn and soybean materials, there are going to be a lot of people feeling sicker and wondering why. And there will be some of us who know why and will be forced to move to preserve our health.
All landfill biodegradeable and municipal wastes will be converted to ethanol by harnessing the E-coli bacteria which converts these materials into sugars which are converted into ethanol...
South America is on the cutting edge of ethanol production and possibly the highest in ethanol consumption. They are way ahead of us in ethanol production.. Brazil, I'm sure is one of the top producing countries in the world as far as ethanol goes..Yes, I know. Brazil is another place I could consider moving to.
and this wood/paper pulp waste will soon be converted into ethanol...I know. I grew up around paper mills.
I don't have any bills mailed to me. It's all handled electronically and automatically and don't write off anything, just take the standard deduction.I'm wondering though why companies are telling me how wonderful their paperless billing is, as if them saving money by not having to mail me something somehow benefits *me*, who still at this point has to print out the bill and file it just to keep the IRS happy. If they want me to do paperless billing, they can take some money off my bill -- they're paying less and I'm spending more of my time.
I mulch the leaves into the grass in the fall with the mower and it makes for a super super green lawn the next year.I compost a great deal of what I do use. My part of Georgia had what little topsoil there is destroyed by bad agricultural methods during the cotton growing period. I have 4 nice inches of nifty black topsoil, though, and that's only after a few years. I swipe all my neighbors leaves too.
I think we will see more of a move towards fully electric or hybrids with ethanol burning combustion engines as the norm, but people love their internal combustion engines and ethanol will be the fuel of choice, especially when they see Formula 1 and Nascar vehicles running on them and the increased speed and mileage they get from running on ethanol verses gas. Ethanol will take off, but I would rather have a fully electric vehicle, they are much faster and produce more horse power with less noise...Actually, I'm hoping that worst case scenario I can just move to somewhere remote enough and with enough air circulation to alleviate the problem. Northern Michigan would do. Heck, maybe I should move to Grayling and visit the Latvian Intelligence Officers there.