How Much Do You Doubt God's Existence?

[PureX]

Really? So you happened to never hear that many common religions claim this, and came up with creation all by yourself?

Explain how you came up with thinking the universe must have been created.

The energy is more likely to have always existed.

That's not at all likely. Mostly because energy doesn't "exist". Any more than time "exists". Or motion "exists". Or emptiness "exists". These are all various effects that we interpret as a form of 'being' when in actuality they are only forms of 'doing'. So the real question is ... doing WHAT? And WHY? Existence is an event occurring. But we have no idea what is motivating this occurrence.

That things exist does not mean they were created.

Existence is an event, not an object. So it was not "created", so much as it occured. And we have no idea how, why, when, or for what reason.

Why assume a God exists at all?

"God" is the concept-label we put upon the mystery source, sustenance, and purpose of the existential occurrence.

What evidence exists that allows a ration mind to conclude at least one exists?

Logical necessity.

 

[Kenny]

Sure. And you described him not "coveting" anyone, which would consistent with him being aromantic.

ok? He was tempted in all point but without sin?

 

[Heyo]

It sure aligns with how he stayed an unmarried 30-something in an era when marriage would have been a social expectation.

The Bible says nothing about his marriage status, and is also suspiciously quiet about his teens and twenties. He could have been married (there are passages from which some have constructed that hypothesis, like the wedding in Canaan), or he could have been widowed, without breaking with social expectation or any commandment (be fruitful).

 

[muhammad_isa]

Logical necessity.

It is for me, but apparently some people prefer "don't know"

..and funnily enough, these people claim to know most things.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The Bible says nothing about his marriage status..

..are you saying he might of gone to Las Vegas on the quiet?

 

[Heyo]

..are you saying he might of gone to Las Vegas on the quiet?

He had about 17 years which are undocumented.

 

[Kenny]

He had about 17 years which are undocumented.

So true,,, many thoughts surround these lost years.

My personal viewpoint is that Joseph is no longer mentioned and Jesus took on the responsibilities of the head of household. Thus, in his death, “John - behold your mother"

 

[Bear Wild]

Absolutely… Jesus was fully male.

Is the pre-Jesus god male?

 

[Kenny]

Is the pre-Jesus god male?

You can ask Him when you meet Him.

 

[Bear Wild]

You can ask Him when you meet Him.

I don't need or intend to met him. He is too jealous of other gods or goddesses for me. I will just assume you trying to evade clarifying your position or you don't know.

 

[Kenny]

I don't need or intend to met him. He is too jealous of other gods or goddesses for me. I will just assume you trying to evade clarifying your position or you don't know.

Of course, as per my signature, we will find out whether or not you will meet Him. I did take note that you backed off of equating Zeus in the comparison… is it because you couldn’t find support and you were just trolling?

 

[YoursTrue]

Im atheist and out the other side... ;-). I am 100% certain no gods exist.

I base it on all the things in this universe, on this world, in this life that have no need for a god or gods. There are many evidences that i believe show no god exists.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I wonder what evidences you are referring to that show there is no God.

 

[YoursTrue]

What do you make of people like me, who approach the world with the expectation that no gods exist and never see anything that can't be completely reconciled with this expectation?

Nothing I've ever seen has even hinted to me that a god might exist.

Just wondering -- did you always feel this way?

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm an Agnostic and I think the question is meaningless. I don't even know what a god is.

That's an interesting point about what is a god.

 

[F1fan]

Why defense، is this competition?

Debate is adversarial, with winners and losers. Notice how you were done, but came back. Humans are competitve and like to test our beliefs and abilities.

Atheist believe is their own responsiblity,

We all are expected to be responsible as citizens and in personall lives. The Bible expects believers to be responsible too, just look at all the rules. As we see Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormonds, etc. all interpret the Bible differently. Heck, even Christians interpret it differently. There's no God coming forth to set all these believers right, so liberal Christians have their rules, moderates theirs, and conservatives their own and think theirs apply to everyone, including Hindus and atheists.

Atheists don't get mired in doctrines, sects, and interpretations. They follow their own moral sense and are accountable for their own moral judgments. No tricky mind games speculating on what a God might want or think is moral. We see plenty of religious folk act with violence against others because they believe their God demands it of them. Look at the Lutherans and Catholics of 1940's Germany who committed the Holocaust. Somehow their Christians beliefs did not inform them that murdering Jews was bad. Nor did the Baptists of the Confederate States understand that black people were fully human and deserving of equality.

which i consider blind mind, it's mentioned in Qur'an.This status of mind.Which can't see the reality.

What reality don't atheists "see"? Note that reality is something readily avaiable to the senses and reason, and doesn't require special assumptions and interpretations. So please explain your claim. Use facts.

because obviously life is planned.

So you believe the 3 year old daughter of one of my clients who was diagnosed with Leukemia, and after painful treatment for nearly 2 years she died a month after her fifth birthday was all planned by God? And meanwhile me as an atheist at 61 and suffer no medical problems at all is also God's plan? Explain the reasons that these plans suggest a moral and competent God. I'm really curious about the whole children dying of cancer and other diseases plans by God, and how these horrors suggest anything decent and good about a God who makes these happen.

thing can't coming from nothing.

So your God isn't a thing? Somehow your God can exist without a cause but energy (which we actually know exists) can't? Explain.

 

[F1fan]

That's not at all likely. Mostly because energy doesn't "exist". Any more than time "exists". Or motion "exists". Or emptiness "exists".

What a shame you didn't exist to bother us with these absurd claims, that you never support with facts and a coherent explanation.

So, if energy doesn't exist then what are we made up of? Or do we not "exist" either, in one of your usual abnormal and irrelevant definitions for common words, to asure no one can make sense of what you post?

These are all various effects that we interpret as a form of 'being' when in actuality they are only forms of 'doing'. So the real question is ... doing WHAT? And WHY? Existence is an event occurring. But we have no idea what is motivating this occurrence.

Doing what? Word salad!!

Existence is an event, not an object. So it was not "created", so much as it occured. And we have no idea how, why, when, or for what reason.

"God" is the concept-label we put upon the mystery source, sustenance, and purpose of the existential occurrence.

Logical necessity.

More incomprehensible nonsense. It's as if you see language as the enemy.

 

[YoursTrue]

Debate is adversarial, with winners and losers. Notice how you were done, but came back. Humans are competitve and like to test our beliefs and abilities.

We all are expected to be responsible as citizens and in personall lives. The Bible expects believers to be responsible too, just look at all the rules. As we see Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormonds, etc. all interpret the Bible differently. Heck, even Christians interpret it differently. There's no God coming forth to set all these believers right, so liberal Christians have their rules, moderates theirs, and conservatives their own and think theirs apply to everyone, including Hindus and atheists.

Atheists don't get mired in doctrines, sects, and interpretations. They follow their own moral sense and are accountable for their own moral judgments. No tricky mind games speculating on what a God might want or think is moral. We see plenty of religious folk act with violence against others because they believe their God demands it of them. Look at the Lutherans and Catholics of 1940's Germany who committed the Holocaust. Somehow their Christians beliefs did not inform them that murdering Jews was bad. Nor did the Baptists of the Confederate States understand that black people were fully human and deserving of equality.

What reality don't atheists "see"? Note that reality is something readily avaiable to the senses and reason, and doesn't require special assumptions and interpretations. So please explain your claim. Use facts.

So you believe the 3 year old daughter of one of my clients who was diagnosed with Leukemia, and after painful treatment for nearly 2 years she died a month after her fifth birthday was all planned by God? And meanwhile me as an atheist at 61 and suffer no medical problems at all is also God's plan? Explain the reasons that these plans suggest a moral and competent God. I'm really curious about the whole children dying of cancer and other diseases plans by God, and how these horrors suggest anything decent and good about a God who makes these happen.

So your God isn't a thing? Somehow your God can exist without a cause but energy (which we actually know exists) can't? Explain.

God knows certain things but does not plan malfunctions.He could know everything but He also can limit Himself as to what He foresees. I believe the Bible and thus circumstances must be taken in context. I figure you don't believe the account of Adam and Eve, and I know not all who profess to believe in God do either, but according to the Bible they decided they did not want to be in subjection to their creator, He therefore allowed them to be on their own. He (1) did not know in advance that they would disobey Him because that is His decision, and (2) He does not plan deformities but allows them at the present time because yes, of the sin of Adam.

 

[Bear Wild]

Of course, as per my signature, we will find out whether or not you will meet Him. I did take note that you backed off of equating Zeus in the comparison… is it because you couldn’t find support and you were just trolling?

I do not want to meet him. I knew him and experienced him in my past and his followers, which is why I no longer follow him. I do not follow Zeus but know his mythology and how the birth of Perceus is similar to the birth of Jesus and showed you other examples. I so not see Zeus as any better nor any less than "him", they are all equals. There is no greater than god. There is no god greater than the goddess. This idea of a superior god is at the root of evil things happening in this world. It is the unbalanced. Now I do now some followers who see god as neither male or female but as both. But as predicted you did not take a stand on god as male. And for the statement "we willl find out or your will find out", this is used as a threat of eternal damnation to those who do not conform. I have experienced this threat and seen it used on others after living most of my life in the deep south. And it is used as an implied threat. The people using were the most hypocritical and often cruel. I learned to associate this with a cruel god. It took time for me to realize it wasn't the god that was being cruel but the people who used the threats and create fear. So please do not be a demon of this world and us that again with me. Thanks.

There was no trolling going on. That was your judgmental opinion. I was serious about the other virgin births in mythology.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"How much do you doubt God's existence":
No doubt at all. Know 100% that God, soul are imagination and messengers are scammers or psychologically disturbed.

He does not plan deformities but allows them at the present time because yes, of the sin of Adam.

Yeah, Christians are born in sin. And Jesus paid for it by his crucifixion. Quite an outlandish idea!

 

[Aupmanyav]

"God" is the concept-label we put upon the mystery source, sustenance, and purpose of the existential occurrence.

But then giving attributes to it is wrong, falsehood. God likes this, does not like that. God will help, God will punish. Heaven, hell, judgment, redemption.
The Hindu Brahman idea is better in that sense. Did not create or do anything, it just seems to happen.