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Atheists believe in miracles more than believers
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It's not about belief for them. It's about knowing or not knowing. It's about distinguishing the knowable from the unknowable. It's about observable facts rooted in solid ground.Ok. So I'll rephrase the question:
you are not a bot, you are NOT an atheist, but you think that a 99.99% of atheists DO NOT BELIEVE that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.
So, what does that 99.99% of atheists that do not believe that, believe about the origin of the universe and its order?
Something many theists fail miserably at or in a few instances are not beholden solely to this.
The truth is out there. It's a lot harder to accept than a god, alien or three eyed toad men did it. The intellectually lazy route.
I admire many of them. Honestly, not all of them. There's a few atheists that have lost any respect or credit from me. Nobody's perfect. Not even me.
Nonsense.
"things that exist [did not necessarily come] out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves."
Heyo
Veteran Member
Atheists (philosophical as well as colloquial) don't have a belief about the beginning of the universe that results from their atheism.
Most accept the findings of the sciences up to the point where science is applicable and are agnostic about the "before". Any preferences they might have for one model or another is not the result of their atheism.
I can answer with my own view.So, what does that 99.99% of atheists that do not believe that, believe about the origin of the universe and its order?
The universe exists, & appears to
have a history stemming from the
Big Bang.
Questions about why, how, &
what was before are beyond
any of us.
In a stunning development that should surprise no one, both theists and atheists have diverse opinions about cosmogony given neither theism or atheism in of itself has anything to say about the matter. Theism is just acceptance or presence of some particular concept of god(s) and atheism is just rejection or absence of some particular concept of god(s). Cosmogony - the origins of the universe or reality - is a separate thing.
Soandso
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I am talking about this planet, earth, in the cosmos, compared to a house ...
Reality is something bigger than that.
The universe is reality. Everything we can see and measure is in the universe. It is not a separate thing
You are attempting to move the goal posts
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, creationists that do not understand the sciences claim that is what atheists believe. Atheists do not believe that everything came from nothing. That is a Christian belief.It seems contradictory, but if you see it from this perspective you will understand:
A believer considers miracles to be the result of a display of knowledge and power on the part of a conscious person.
An atheist believes that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.
So who is the one who believes in miracles?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The universe is not "a house".Maybe you think there are houses that build themselves... I can't help you to think logically.
It seems contradictory, but if you see it from this perspective you will understand:
A believer considers miracles to be the result of a display of knowledge and power on the part of a conscious person.
An atheist believes that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.
So who is the one who believes in miracles?
Miracle: an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment.
It would be a miracle for you to understand what atheism is about.
If they say that about life, what is left?
You guys sure do like that word, "suddenly".Would it be more of a miracle that I would manage to humanize an entire population of apes on internet,
that a troop of them suddenly start talking at the zoo, or
that certain population of apes did by themselves in the past?
If the Earth were only 6,000 years old, you'd
have a point. But it's been billions of years.
idea
Question Everything
Create what? Everything?
Better to believe its just the laws of nature than believe conscience willpower created evil.
Given choice, my sanity is better with - just the laws of nature.
I don't know how to make a bot understand that I'm not YEC without having to repeat it more times.
Evolutionists love to stretch the elastic of time, as if that would somehow change the unfathomable abyss that exists between nothingness, the inorganic, life, consciousness and art.
Maybe they should learn to perceive time in reverse; They would realize how little time they have left... No comments.
Evolutionists love to stretch the elastic of time, as if that would somehow change the unfathomable abyss that exists between nothingness, the inorganic, life, consciousness and art.
Maybe they should learn to perceive time in reverse; They would realize how little time they have left... No comments.
You also don't know the difference between something that a person makes and something that is produced alone?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You never answered the question about Noah's Ark. For all practical purposes you probably are a YEC.I don't know how to make a bot understand that I'm not YEC without having to repeat it more times.
Evolutionists love to stretch the elastic of time, as if that would somehow change the unfathomable abyss that exists between nothingness, the inorganic, life, consciousness and art.
Maybe they should learn to perceive time in reverse; They would realize how little time they have left... No comments.