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Trump ordered to pay nearly 355 million in NY fraud case.

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The lenders disagree with you. Leftist are like Putin who puts his political enemies in jail.

You really believe that nonsense?

BTW, Putin used to be a Marxist decades ago but now is a fascist, which is exactly what Trump is. Haven't you noticed that Trump never blames Putin for anything and is buddy-buddy with Kim Jong Un and Orban? Ever wonder why this is the case?
 

Laniakea

Not of this world
Thank you for admitting that you are wrong with a source that refutes you:

"Monday in Fulton County, Georgia, facing a range of felony charges that all carry potential prison sentences that add up to a potential maximum sentence of 717.5 years in prison, though Trump is highly unlikely to face that much time."

<bolding mine>

That is only what possibly could happen. No judge or even prosecutor is on record of advocating for that.
"Monday in Fulton County, Georgia, facing a range of felony charges that all carry potential prison sentences that add up to a potential maximum sentence of 717.5 years in prison."
Did you conveniently overlook that part?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
"Monday in Fulton County, Georgia, facing a range of felony charges that all carry potential prison sentences that add up to a potential maximum sentence of 717.5 years in prison."
Did you conveniently overlook that part?
Not at all. Do you not understand what the word "potential" means? The person that you were using as a comparison had a sentence of 140 years. It was not a "potential". His potential sentence was probably much higher. That it is why you need to reread the part in bold that you ignored again.

And how many billions or even trillions is a fake Presidency worth? Madoff was sentenced for all of the harm that he did as a result of his illegal activities. Trump's harm is potentially much much greater.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member

Colt

Well-Known Member
You really believe that nonsense?

BTW, Putin used to be a Marxist decades ago but now is a fascist, which is exactly what Trump is. Haven't you noticed that Trump never blames Putin for anything and is buddy-buddy with Kim Jong Un and Orban? Ever wonder why this is the case?
Your (D) heros are more "fascist" in ideology than (R)'s. or Trump!

"The Manifesto of the Italian Fasces of Combat" (Italian: "Il manifesto dei fasci italiani di combattimento"), commonly known as the Fascist Manifesto, was the initial declaration of the political stance of the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento ("Italian Fasces of Combat")[1] the movement founded in Milan by Benito Mussolini in 1919 and an early exponent of Fascism. The Manifesto was authored by national syndicalist Alceste De Ambris and the futurist poet Filippo Marinetti.

Contents of the Fascist Manifesto​

The Manifesto (published in Il Popolo d'Italia on June 6, 1919) is divided into four sections, describing the movement's objectives in political, social, military and financial fields.[2]

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

  • Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all ages 25 and up;
  • Proportional representation on a regional basis;
  • Voting for women;
  • Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
  • The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
  • The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.
In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

  • The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
  • A minimum wage;
  • The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
  • Reorganization of the railways and the public transport sector;
  • Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
  • Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

  • Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
  • Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
  • A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.
In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

  • A strong extraordinary tax on capital of a progressive nature, which takes the form of true partial expropriation of all wealth;
  • The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
  • Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
  • The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.
These early positions reflected in the Manifesto would later be characterized by Mussolini in "The Doctrine of Fascism" as "a series of pointers, forecasts, hints which, when freed from the inevitable matrix of contingencies, were to develop in a few years time into a series of doctrinal positions entitling Fascism to rank as a political doctrine differing from all others, past or present."[3]

The Manifesto in practice​

Of the Manifesto's proposals, the commitment to corporative organisation of economic interests was to be the longest lasting. Far from becoming a medium of extended democracy, parliament became by law an exclusively Fascist-picked body in 1929; being replaced by the "chamber of corporations" a decade later.

Fascism's pacifist foreign policy ceased during its first year of Italian government. In September 1923, the Corfu crisis demonstrated the regime's willingness to use force internationally. Perhaps the greatest success of Fascist diplomacy was the Lateran Treaty of February 1929, which accepted the principle of non-interference in the affairs of the Church. This ended the 59-year-old dispute between Italy and the Papacy.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans​

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans

Banker Involved in Big Loans to Trump's Company Testifies for His Defense in Civil Fraud Trial​

A Deutsche Bank executive says the bank followed its own guidelines — which include independently verifying information — when deciding to lend Donald Trump’s company hundreds of millions of dollars



https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...estifies-for-his-defense-in-civil-fraud-trial

So your powerful defense of Trump is that the Deutsche Bank is a highly experienced operation that knew all along that Trump is a liar. OK.
 
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Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
That's good, because America is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.
It's high time to start running it as one.
Specifically, the US is a democratic republic.

Basic military requirements / Naval Education and Training Program Management Support

DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. The United States is a democratic republic. A democratic republic is a form of government that combines the principles of a democracy and a republic.​
A democracy is a government by the people. In a democracy, the principle of majority rule is used. In a "pure" democracy, all issues to be decided are voted on by all the people.​
A republic is a form of government using representatives. The representatives are elected by those eligible to vote. Republics have a President, Prime Minister, or person with a similar title as the head of state rather than a monarch. In a republic, the representatives vote on the issues.​
The United States is a democratic republic because it uses the representative form of government (republic) and the representatives are elected by all the people (democratic).​
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Good news! So much for those polls

Nobody can stop Trump from winning if he can garner the necessary electors. And prosecutors are Trump's problem, not the Democrats.

I assume that that is the maximum if he is convicted on all 88-91 felony charges. That's not bias if juries agree that he is guilty.

It is if you attempt a coup and an insurrection, or steal secrets, or tamper with elections. Just ...

Palmer report is unfortunately about a mirror of FOX TV on the left. Just Saying.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
How does that modify the law? Citation needed.
Appraisals and valuations are "opinions". An example would be Mara largo which is the largest property on the Palm Beach strip but has a tiny assessment relative to the properties around it. The assessment in under $30,000,000. It could be worth $500,000,000++
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans​

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans
That is only one lender. Also many may be reluctant to speak due to the chance that Trump could get reelected. The bankers were not the ones that suffered here. What Trump did was to screw over other borrowers.
 
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