Is it important to know, when humans started believing in God?

[Madsaac]

These times might be up for debate but you get the drift.

Isn't it a coincidence that humans only started to believe in 'God' when we our brains reached a certain size for intelligence and consciousness, something like 50,000 years a go.

Humans had been around for a long, long time before that.

So why didn't we believe in God then?

Did humans make God up themselves?

 

[Revoltingest]

How can it be claimed a coincidence when
you can only speculate when it happened?

 

[Madsaac]

How can it be claimed a coincidence when
you can only speculate when it happened?

No, I think you can speculate because it doesn't matter exactly when it happened because it did happen at some point

I think the general idea of the thread is pretty obvious, so what do you think?

 

[Stevicus]

These times might be up for debate but you get the drift.

Isn't it a coincidence that humans only started to believe in 'God' when we our brains reached a certain size for intelligence and consciousness, something like 50,000 years a go.

Humans had been around for a long, long time before that.

So why didn't we believe in God then?

Did humans make God up themselves?

I suppose it would depend on how and when humans started developing the ability to speak.

https://www.science.org/content/article/human-language-may-have-evolved-help-our-ancestors-make-tools

Researchers have long debated when humans starting talking to each other. Estimates range wildly, from as late as 50,000 years ago to as early as the beginning of the human genus more than 2 million years ago. But words leave no traces in the archaeological record. So researchers have used proxy indicators for symbolic abilities, such as early art or sophisticated toolmaking skills. Yet these indirect approaches have failed to resolve arguments about language origins.

So, maybe it was 50,000 years ago or longer.

Here's another article I found: When did humans first start to speak? How language evolved in Africa.

The initial ability to produce speech sounds was the spark that led to the gradual evolution of language. Grammatical language did not evolve overnight. There was no “single silver bullet” that generated language.

The indication is that human language was a fairly late acquisition of Homo sapiens. It is argued in this study that language, as we know it today, probably began to emerge about 20,000 years ago.

It would seem to me that there would have to be some sort of working language in place, even if only on a primitive level, in order to be able to express concepts like belief in a god.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I think you can speculate because it doesn't matter exactly when it happened because it did happen at some point

I think the general idea of the thread is pretty obvious, so what do you think?

It's unimportant to know.

 

[Quintessence]

I think the general idea of the thread is pretty obvious, so what do you think?

It's not obvious to me. Maybe because I just don't really want to make assumptions. I'm confused by the opening post talking about belief in God somehow predating the Abrahamic religions that posit that theological conception of the divine. Did you actually mean gods more broadly, or did you really just mean God? I don't know.

 

[Madsaac]

It's unimportant to know.

I think it is because it seems that humans made up the idea of God when their brains were developed enough to think more deeply and communicate better amongst each other.

Or did God suddenly allow humans to understand the concept of God.

Which is it?

 

[Madsaac]

It's not obvious to me. Maybe because I just don't really want to make assumptions. I'm confused by the opening post talking about belief in God somehow predating the Abrahamic religions that posit that theological conception of the divine. Did you actually mean gods more broadly, or did you really just mean God? I don't know.

God or Gods, either or, yes when did you think humans starting to think or believe in God or Gods?

And what do you think made humans start to believe in God or Gods? Or helped humans believe in God or Gods?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

These times might be up for debate but you get the drift.

Isn't it a coincidence that humans only started to believe in 'God' when we our brains reached a certain size for intelligence and consciousness, something like 50,000 years a go.

Humans had been around for a long, long time before that.

So why didn't we believe in God then?

Did humans make God up themselves?

Good evening Madsaac.

It would seem that the problem you have in understanding belief in Yahweh comes from your opinion - one that certainly is no doubt the most popular one held in our modern day society - that the molecules-to-man theory is correct and therefore that mankind has increased in intelligence, and generally evolved upwards to what we have today when this cannot actually be proven. Actually entropy is what has prevailed in the human race. Yahweh wasn't invented by mankind. Believing such will cause you to doubt the veracity of the Bible and think of the Bible as nothing but the works of fallible man therefore an unreliable and untrustworthy source and something that can be replaced. Yahweh created mankind. The first humans Adam and Eve had knowledge of and interactions with Yahweh. Intelligence cannot be measured by whether one can create smartphones, or satellites, but actually, whether one is obedient to Yahweh's commandments, something most mankind has seemingly not understood.

"The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever." (Psalm 111:10)

 

[Madsaac]

Good evening Madsaac.

It would seem that the problem you have in understanding belief in Yahweh comes from your opinion - one that certainly is no doubt the most popular one held in our modern day society - that the molecules-to-man theory is correct and therefore that mankind has increased in intelligence, and generally evolved upwards to what we have today when this cannot actually be proven. Actually entropy is what has prevailed in the human race. Yahweh wasn't invented by mankind. Believing such will cause you to doubt the veracity of the Bible and think of the Bible as nothing but the works of fallible man therefore an unreliable and untrustworthy source and something that can be replaced. Yahweh created mankind. The first humans Adam and Eve had knowledge of and interactions with Yahweh. Intelligence cannot be measured by whether one can create smartphones, or satellites, but actually, whether one is obedient to Yahweh's commandments, something most mankind has seemingly not understood.

"The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever." (Psalm 111:10)

Hello Messanic Israelite,

So you're one of these 'hard core' believers it seems, that's cool but you mentioned proof, I'm sure you'll disagree but the fact is there is no doubt more 'proof' about evolution than God, you merely have a book written by a small group of people if a small part of the world 2000 years a go.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

Hello Messanic Israelite,

So you're one of these 'hard core' believers it seems, that's cool but you mentioned proof, I'm sure you'll disagree but the fact is there is no doubt more 'proof' about evolution than God, you merely have a book written by a small group of people if a small part of the world 2000 years a go.

Hi Madsaac

Yes. I absolutely believe in the Bible 100% and have no doubt in my mind that this is the Word of Yahweh. Let's consider what you have said. Is there more evidence for the theory of evolution than for the Bible? Perhaps things may look that way with the misinterpretation of data and the constant barrage by the scientific community to promote this theory, but if you actually look at what you have objectively, you find that they aren't just holes, but huge chasms of non-evidence in the theory of evolution which can only go to prove that the theory is not Truth. Truth always turns out to be be true regardless the angle you come from it.

There are many artefact's and historical items and records that give weight to the Biblical accounts, including for example the Moabite Stone.

Do you really think that a big bang, 13.8 billion years ago, brought the universe into existence and initially produced hydrogen, the simplest chemical element; hydrogen then evolved into other chemical elements—and eventually people? You know what I think. I think it's ludicrous, and no amount of wish-washy scientific papers attempting to explain this by suggesting that this might've happened this way, or that might've happened another way, can make such an idea more true.

 

[Trailblazer]

These times might be up for debate but you get the drift.

Isn't it a coincidence that humans only started to believe in 'God' when we our brains reached a certain size for intelligence and consciousness, something like 50,000 years a go.

How do you know that is when humans started to believe in God, archaeological evidence?

Humans had been around for a long, long time before that.

So why didn't we believe in God then?

How do you know that they didn't?

Did humans make God up themselves?

No, I do not believe that they did. I believe that as long as humans have existed God has sent Messengers to reveal Himself.
I believe that as long as humans have had a rational soul, the human brain was developed enough to understand the concept of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think it is because it seems that humans made up the idea of God when their brains were developed enough to think more deeply and communicate better amongst each other.

Or did God suddenly allow humans to understand the concept of God.

Which is it?

I think it is the second one. When, at some point during the process of evolution, God gave humans a soul, humans were able to understand God.
It is the soul that allows us to understand God.

“Thou hast asked Me concerning the nature of the soul. Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel. It is the first among all created things to declare the excellence of its Creator, the first to recognize His glory, to cleave to His truth, and to bow down in adoration before Him.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 158-159

 

[McBell]

I suppose it would depend on how and when humans started developing the ability to speak.

How does the inability to speak, or even communicate, prevent a concept of god, or any other concept?

 

[McBell]

I think it is because it seems that humans made up the idea of God when their brains were developed enough to think more deeply and communicate better amongst each other.

based on what, exactly?

 

[Madsaac]

based on what, exactly?

The idea that a human brain developed to the point, so it could think more deeply about its surroundings, other people, themselves etc. That is what I base it on.

Do you have different time when humans started believing in a God/Gods?

 

[McBell]

The idea that a human brain developed to the point, so it could think more deeply about its surroundings, other people, themselves etc. That is what I base it on.

Do you have different time when humans started believing in a God/Gods?

What other time would there be besides "when they were able to ?"

 

[Madsaac]

How do you know that is when humans started to believe in God, archaeological evidence?

How do you know that they didn't?

No, I do not believe that they did. I believe that as long as humans have existed God has sent Messengers to reveal Himself.
I believe that as long as humans have had a rational soul, the human brain was developed enough to understand the concept of God.

Your last two sentences contradict each other, which is it?

Did God then send messages to Neanderthals? Aren't they humans?

Or when the human brain was developed enough? If it's this one we agree on the same time.

Having said that I think it's very strange that God did not value a human at all, before his brain was developed?

 

[Madsaac]

What other time would there be besides "when they were able to ?"

So is it not a strange coincidence then that it was "when they were able to".

Why not before or a few thousand years later?

 

[McBell]

So is it not a strange coincidence then that it was "when they were able to".

No, it is not.

Why not before

They were not able to

or a few thousand years later?

Because they were able to a few thousand years before

So, now that we established the Captain Obvious "when they were able to"...
How does that pinpoint, and by pinpoint I mean within say a kiloannum, when it happened?