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Who Or What Is Israel?

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Elihoenai said:
Psalm 7:1

7 `The Erring One,' by David, that he sung to Jehovah concerning the words of Cush a Benjamite. O Jehovah, my God, in Thee I have trusted, Save me from all my pursuers, and deliver me.


Psalm 7:1 is absolutely clear. What are you seeing in this verse?
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This has no relation with ku****e woman. If at all, it says about a benjamite.cu****e. no relation with Moses marriage.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Elihoenai said:
Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


Good question and points being made.

It appears a contradiction. Elohim/God is Omni Being Good and Evil. The Enemies of Israel are Worshippers of the Evil Side of Elohim/God. While remaining in the Flesh a person is an Enemy of Israel. Overcoming the Flesh Brings Forth Israel.

Elohim/God wants its creation to climb the Ladder.

Elohim's/God's Ladder:
Flesh->Soul->Spirit
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Can you give bible verses, please.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
I believe there is a distinction between Elohim and Yhwh. Elohim is impersonal while Yhwh is personal. Impersonal implies all.encompassing it seems to me.
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Elohim is a plural word, but YHWH is a proper name. The Christian doctrine of persons of deity is part of Trinitarianism.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
So plural Elohim is all encompassing or not?
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The Hebrew concept of all isn't the same as the western concept of all. The Hebrew all is all the things that are relevant to the idea that is being expressed, but the western all is universal. In some contexts Elohim refers only to two beings, but in others an indeterminate group or perhaps a council. Theoretically Elohim could refer to the Hebrew all, but the doctrines of being all-knowing, all-powerful, and being present in all places can be shown as not being applicable to YHWH.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
This is all.encompassing, please. It transcends the Hebrews.
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It's quite common in religion for people to hold to ideas that are not supported by the texts that they regard as being authoritative. It might help to examine the source of your proposition about an all-encompassing Elohim to find out if and how it could be validated.
 
Elihoenai

Elihoenai

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Bharat Jhunjhunwala said:
Can you give bible verses, please.
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Job 19:26

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Above are the Holy Scriptures/Bible verses. Elohim/God is Flesh, Soul and Spirit. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Flesh form.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Elihoenai said:
The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Flesh form.
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Devil and Satan are both titles, and the titles are not interchangeable.
Also, there's no ethical attachment to the title of Satan. YHWH or his angel could hold that title.

And Elohim's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of YHWH stood in the way for an adversary[satan] against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants [were] with him.
Numbers 22:22

 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It is unclear within theological circles as to why "Elohim" was put in plural form, but one theory is that it may refer to God and His angels.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Ebionite said:
Devil and Satan are both titles, and the titles are not interchangeable.
Also, there's no ethical attachment to the title of Satan. YHWH or his angel could hold that title.

And Elohim's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of YHWH stood in the way for an adversary[satan] against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants [were] with him.
Numbers 22:22

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YHWH is a subset of Elohim. Maybe this was as it is said.
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Elihoenai said:
Job 19:26

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Above are the Holy Scriptures/Bible verses. Elohim/God is Flesh, Soul and Spirit. The Devil/Satan is Elohim/God in its Lowest Flesh form.
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OK
 
Elihoenai

Elihoenai

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Deuteronomy 10:17

17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:


On the discussion about Elohim/God and Yahweh/Jehovah. The Deuteronomy 10:17 verse provides food for thought. The Other gods has a little "g" and the Other lords has a little "l".
 
Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Bharat Jhunjhunwala

TruthPrevails
Elihoenai said:
Deuteronomy 10:17

17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:


On the discussion about Elohim/God and Yahweh/Jehovah. The Deuteronomy 10:17 verse provides food for thought. The Other gods has a little "g" and the Other lords has a little "l"
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metis said:
I'm not sure how "Infinities" relates to this. Please explain.
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I conceive of God as infinite psychic power. But there exist many infinities. So One God becomes a subset of the many Infinities.
 
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