By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Subduction Zone]

There was a world wide flood and here is how naysayers deny and explain away the evidence,
Lol

How did seashells get on top of mount everest? - World mountains

Some of the most unlikely places on Earth are home to seashells. Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world, is one of them. But how did they get there?

www.mountabove.com

No, an observation on its own is not "evidence". To have evidence one needs a coherent argument first. In the sciences, which is the standards that we need to be using here, one does not have any evidence until one forms a scientific hypothesis.

 

[2ndpillar]

I’ve seen that some have said that but why would the devil be able to take the sins away and be a sacrifice? Don’t agree with that interpretation. Jesus Christ did that and was sacrificed outside the city. Satan in prison for a 1000 years, the scriptures don’t mention any such thing about sin.

”“And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.“
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭16‬:‭20‬-‭22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Leviticus 16:20-22 “And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess | New King James Version (NKJV

“And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess

bible.com

Also, repentance is a turning away from sin and living for God. If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold all things have become new. Believers live Holy lives set apart and consecrated to God now. That’s my life now.

Apparently "believers" (around 2 billion/the "many") in the false gospel of grace do not "live Holy lives set apart". As for the "false prophet", the "devil", and the "beast", they apparently get the retribution from having sinned, as they are "tormented day and night forever" (Revelation 20:10). As for the followers of the goat, the liars and murderers, those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:42-43), they shall exist outside the gates (in the wilderness) (during the millennium) (Revelation 22:15) where there will be "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:42). This happens during the fall harvest (feast of Booths at the time of the Feast of Anointment) (Yom Kippur). At that time, you could send a message to this site telling us how things are working out for you.

 

[Trailblazer]

Try explaining the prophecy of Obadiah and how that has been completed, whereas Israel envelopes all of Edom (now southwest Jordan, the home of the Palestinians and Hamas plus more including Petra, the birthplace of the Islamic narrative), the true heritage of your imaginary Muhammad, falsely portrayed as the son of Ishmael, and his imaginary trading center of Mecca of the 6th century? Try explaining why the increase of Islam, the faith of intifada, grew faster than Baha, in which the Islamist, would like to cut off the heads of the Baha for their supposed blasphemy. Not that they haven't done that in the past. I think your spirit of socialism, and of slimmed Islamic traditions, is increasing in popularity, but then again, the time of the end will be like the time of Noah, and where Sodom would be more righteous than the era of the "end times". According to the Revelation of Yeshua (Rev 20:4), the millennium will consist of the righteous, who have risen from the dead, ruling with "Christ"/messiah, from Jerusalem, and all the nations/Gentiles, keeping the feast of Booths every year (Zechariah 14).

You will have to list the actual prophecies so I can read them in context if you want to discuss whether they have been fulfilled.
Of course, as I told you, we are only at the beginning of the messianic age, so it cannot be expected that all the prophecies would be fulfilled yet.
Then there is also the matter of interpretation, since people read the same verses and interpret them differently.

Much of the Book of Revelation is symbolic, not literal.

Some of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are depicted in the following 10 minute video.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Apparently "believers" (around 2 billion/the "many") in the false gospel of grace do not "live Holy lives set apart". As for the "false prophet", the "devil", and the "beast", they apparently get the retribution from having sinned, as they are "tormented day and night forever" (Revelation 20:10). As for the followers of the goat, the liars and murderers, those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:42-43), they shall exist outside the gates (in the wilderness) (during the millennium) (Revelation 22:15) where there will be "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:42). This happens during the fall harvest (feast of Booths at the time of the Feast of Anointment) (Yom Kippur). At that time, you could send a message to this site telling us how things are working out for you.

Working out great for me for the last 35 years walking with the Lord and enjoying the presence of God. I’m free today thanks to Jesus Christ.
Before that the devil had me bound in addiction and every evil thing.
You don’t talk like you know God or have the Holy Spirit of God but a religious set of rules is all.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I believe a mirage is a factual entity but it also deceives.

I believe, in the case of a mirage, it is our senses and the interpretation of them that is incorrect lending to a perception of deception. No one that I'm aware of is creating the mirage nor does it necessarily look like a detailed, high resolution image of something intended to fool.

 

[metis]

Because of the love He showed us at the Cross, giving his life for us, we do the same because we love God.

Which is a beginning, not an end.

 

[Dimi95]

It is circular logic that you can use the false prophet Paul

What does determine that Paul was a false prophet ?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which is a beginning, not an end.

Not sure your point or why you felt the need to say that.

 

[metis]

Not sure your point or why you felt the need to say that.

Read Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats in Matthew 25, and then it should be obvious.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Read Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats in Matthew 25, and then it should be obvious.

Still not following you on why you’re addressing me on these things

 

[metis]

Still not following you on why you’re addressing me on these things

Frankly, it should be obvious, and my point is theological, thus not any kind of judgement or slam.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Frankly, it should be obvious, and my point is theological, thus not any kind of judgement or slam.

Not really obvious and still doesn’t make sense,
but will leave it at that.

 

[2ndpillar]

What does determine that Paul was a false prophet ?

A false prophet is one who makes a false prophecy? Paul said "we shall not all sleep"/die, which is antithetical to the Word of God with regard to Jeremiah 31:30 and has proven to be a lie in many ways. Paul is dead, his listeners are dead, and all those reading his words are going to die. As for being "saved", which is being "saved" from death with regards to Joel 2:31-32, only those on Mt Zion and in Jerusalem are pointed out as the one's who "escape" per Joel 2:32-3-2 with regard to the "day of the LORD", the day of Judgment for the "nations"/Gentiles (Joel 3:2). "Christianity" teaches the inverse of what is to happen, which according to Matthew 13:25-50, "those who commit lawlessness", as in those who follow Paul's false gospel of grace with be "raptured" out first, whereas Yeshua in Matthew 13:30 -50 states that it is the tares/wicked/lawless who will be the "first" to be gathered out and thrown into the fire. Paul would be among the wolves (false prophets) in sheep's clothing of Matthew 7:12-15.

 

[2ndpillar]

Working out great for me for the last 35 years walking with the Lord and enjoying the presence of God. I’m free today thanks to Jesus Christ.
Before that the devil had me bound in addiction and every evil thing.
You don’t talk like you know God or have the Holy Spirit of God but a religious set of rules is all.

My point was for you to let us know how you are after the angels come and gather out the tares, not before, when the "arrogant" can call themselves blessed, and the doers of wickedness are built up (Malachi 3:15). Your Lord is one of your own imagination, whereas you keep your own set of commandments, based around the decrees/commandments set forth from the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, in the years 321 & 325 A.D., and promulgated by the comrades of the false prophet Paul. The "message"/"path" you walk is the wide path of the false prophets of Matthew 7:12-15, which is the gospel of grace/lawlessness, the "message" of the "devil" (Matthew 13:37-39). That "wide" path leads to "destruction" (Mt 7:12).

 

[ElishaElijah]

My point was for you to let us know how you are after the angels come and gather out the tares, not before, when the "arrogant" can call themselves blessed, and the doers of wickedness are built up (Malachi 3:15). Your Lord is one of your own imagination, whereas you keep your own set of commandments, based around the decrees/commandments set forth from the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, in the years 321 & 325 A.D., and promulgated by the comrades of the false prophet Paul. The "message"/"path" you walk is the wide path of the false prophets of Matthew 7:12-15, which is the gospel of grace/lawlessness, the "message" of the "devil" (Matthew 13:37-39). That "wide" path leads to "destruction" (Mt 7:12).

What commandments are you thinking are false? Jesus said this:
”Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”“
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
I do that but you don’t because you don’t believe He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.
You also miss-represent what Paul said in Corinthians, bearing false witness:
”Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.“
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭50‬-‭58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is also mentioned in 1Thesselonians

 

[2ndpillar]

You will have to list the actual prophecies so I can read them in context if you want to discuss whether they have been fulfilled.
Of course, as I told you, we are only at the beginning of the messianic age, so it cannot be expected that all the prophecies would be fulfilled yet.
Then there is also the matter of interpretation, since people read the same verses and interpret them differently.

Much of the Book of Revelation is symbolic, not literal.

Some of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah are depicted in the following 10 minute video.

Obadiah is only two pages long, and it is full of prophecies which have not been fulfilled, and they are aimed around the land of Edom going to Israel, which is now being fulfilled by Israel about to take the land given to Jacob/Israel back from the sons of Essau/Edom, which was initiated in 1948, 1967 and is ongoing, and has nothing to do with Baha as a prophet or a messiah. I can say that of all the prophets, but they are way longer than 2 pages. The whole "message" of Yeshua is symbolic, in that his message the "kingdom of heaven", was made with parables, with the aim of only the righteous being able to understand (Matthew 13:13-14 & Isaiah 6:8-9).

 

[metis]

Not really obvious and still doesn’t make sense,
but will leave it at that.

OK, let me briefly explain that there's a difference between belief versus living out what's been taught, such as what we see playing out between the "Sheep" and the "Goats" in Mattew 25. The latter believe about Jesus but not in him as they don't live what's expected of them as his followers.

 

[ElishaElijah]

OK, let me briefly explain that there's a difference between belief versus living out what's been taught, such as what we see playing out between the "Sheep" and the "Goats" in Mattew 25. The latter believe about Jesus but not in him as they don't live what's expected of them as his followers.

Yeah that’s right there is

 

[2ndpillar]

What commandments are you thinking are false? Jesus said this:
”Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”“
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
I do that but you don’t because you don’t believe He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.
You also miss-represent what Paul said in Corinthians, bearing false witness:
”Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.“
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭50‬-‭58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Who did God send? He sent the "Word of God" made flesh. As for the "last trumpet" of Matthew 24:31 & Zech 9:5-14, is with respect to "immediately after the tribulation" (Mt 24:29) whereas the "tribulation" will include "Gaza too will writhe in great pain", as is being done today.

 

[metis]

Who did God send? He sent the "Word of God" made flesh. As for the "last trumpet" of Matthew 24:31 & Zech 9:5-14, is with respect to "immediately after the tribulation" (Mt 24:29) whereas the "tribulation" will include "Gaza too will writhe in great pain", as is being done today.

So, God didn't care about anyone prior to 2000 years ago?