By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Dan From Smithville]

So then going back to Adam, and the biblical genealogy from there, to Abraham and eventually Jesus...

You can go ahead, I'm not interested in chatting with you about it. In my personal opinion, that is a rabbit hole I've been down on various subjects with you one time too many.

Quite honestly, I doubt the sincerity of your interest and motives.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you think God wants us to ignore what we see with our eyes and what others can show us to be facts? That is the message I have been getting from you consistently.

What do you believe the Bible says about that, it’s important as a Christian we know that answer.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I can claim everything that God says I can according to the Scriptures because I believe what He says and the promises He made to me.

Yes. I realize that is how you believe.

Anything less is a lack of trust in God.

No. It is an example, I think, of placing trust in men.

He says I’m seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ.
That I’ve been blessed with every spiritual blessings in Christ.

Me too.

That I have authority in the Name of Jesus to lay my hands on the sick for healing, cast out demons, preach the Gospel and minister salvation.

I know you believe that, but you can't show us that you have that authority or that you have done any of that. It is all claims without evidence.

Yes, coming from the pit to being treated like a king and priest and an ambassador of Christ is an awesome privilege, yeah I boast a lot in Christ and what He has done for me.

I'm glad you find joy for yourself in the peace that comes with knowing Christ. But you do more than just glory in that. You come on here telling other Christians that they are not. You make claims that you cannot back up. All I know is that you claim you are Christian and you speak about how that has changed you. I accept that. Beyond that, I can know nothing of your other claims.

 

[F1fan]

No, experts are credible because they're recognised as having specialist knowledge.

This doesn't rebut my point that experts have the status they do because they rely on fact and data in their work. Of course they are recognized by the consensus of scientists because they all follow the same method and standards.

Interestingly there are no experts of theology or in religion. The pope isn't an expert. Imams aren't experts. Nor are priests experts. There is no expertise in religion given the many different assumptions.

The source of that knowledge is immaterial.

Really? How knowledge has evolved in precision and accuracy doesn't matter? Science is what it is today because it has a standard that is followed. This is unlike religious where anything goes. No standards whatsoever.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You have selected an interpretation.

Break out the verses of Scripture that support your views because that’s the problem I have, there is one interpretation of the Scriptures and the goal is what does the writer intend to communicate. There may be many applications but one interpretation.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What do you believe the Bible says about that, it’s important as a Christian we know that answer.

God gave us this creation to steward and to learn from. He would not have done that if He wanted us to burry our heads in the sands of literalism and use that as a marker to judge others. That is poor fruit in my opinion.

If you want to repeat Bible verses, do so to your hearts content as you have done, but they have not served to cover the flaws in your thinking and posting so far.

I quote them when the Spirit moves me and not to use as a billboard to broadcast the "truth" of my image here.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Break out the verses of Scripture that support your views because that’s the problem I have, there is one interpretation of the Scriptures and the goal is what does the writer intend to communicate. There may be many applications but one interpretation.

Let's not leave the flawed thinking you have been showing behind in some new diversion to get around explaining that. Show me that the facts we have learned about the world are false as you have been claiming they are. Show us that Genesis is an historical and scientifically accurate depiction of events that it describes.

 

[Ebionite]

Experts is a rather meaningless generalization.

Expertise has meaning in law because judges and jurors are not expected to have specialist knowledge relevant to a particular case.

 

[Ebionite]

This doesn't rebut my point that experts have the status they do because they rely on fact and data in their work. Of course they are recognized by the consensus of scientists because they all follow the same method and standards.

Expertise isn't limited to scientific expertise.

 

[F1fan]

So then going back to Adam, and the biblical genealogy from there, to Abraham and eventually Jesus...

Adam wasn't a real person. And oddly, Jesus wasn't related to anyone's family except Mary's.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Let's not leave the flawed thinking you have been showing behind in some new diversion to get around explaining that. Show me that the facts we have learned about the world are false as you have been claiming they are. Show us that Genesis is an historical and scientifically accurate depiction of events that it describes.

That isn’t even what this thread is about and means nothing as Christians. If you don’t believe the Word of God then why would you claim to be a Christian, you just said you were seated in Christ in the heavenly places, right? You can’t prove that and not supposed to, we believe that based on what He has already done for us in our lives right here. You are double minded and asking for historical and scientific info. Why would I have to it need to do that? I believe what God wrote and what are you going to say to God when He proves you wrong?

”For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.“
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You believe this and live your life based on this too don’t you? Even though you can’t prove it but know it’s true.

 

[shunyadragon]

Expertise has meaning in law because judges and jurors are not expected to have specialist knowledge relevant to a particular case.

This is a very different issue from what you posted previously. In context pf your previous post you are not making sense.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What do you believe the Bible says about that, it’s important as a Christian we know that answer.

Your statement here is very curious. Are you saying that you think God wants us to lie about what we learn and pretend it away? That doesn't make sense, though it seems to be what you are alluding to here.

One of the Commandments prohibits false witness. You should know that.

 

[Ebionite]

This is a very different issue from what you posted previously.

In what way do you think its different?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That isn’t even what this thread is about and means nothing as Christians.

I assume this backpedaling is recognition that you are the one that has to put the rubber on the road and I can understand that you don't want to.

You can believe it means nothing. Can you show us that what you have claimed so far means nothing to Christians?

If you don’t believe the Word of God then why would you claim to be a Christian

There's that misrepresentation again. I have never said I don't believe it. I was pretty clear on what I said and it is about interpretation.

, you just said you were seated in Christ in the heavenly places, right? You can’t prove that and not supposed to, we believe that based on what He has already done for us in our lives right here. You are double minded and asking for historical and scientific info. Why would I have to it need to do that? I believe what God wrote and what are you going to say to God when He proves you wrong?

Here we go. So, I can sense that you are going to call me out as not being a "true" Christian rather than explain yourself as you have claimed and made claims that need to be honored with more than just repetition of biblical quotes. Anyone can do that.

”For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.“
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Well, I suppose you have given me the answer that I most likely expected.

 

[F1fan]

Expertise isn't limited to scientific expertise.

That's true as there are expert historians. But they follow the same standard as science, and that is fact and data.

Expertise has meaning in law because judges and jurors are not expected to have specialist knowledge relevant to a particular case.

The courts won't allow testimony by anyone who doesn't have a factual basis for what they testify to. If you committed murder and your defense was that God told you to, the courts won't allow a religious "expert" to testify that God exists and orders people to do acts that might seem immoral to civil society. Courts don't recognize God.

How do you feel about that?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your statement here is very curious. Are you saying that you think God wants us to lie about what we learn and pretend it away? That doesn't make sense, though it seems to be what you are alluding to here.

One of the Commandments prohibits false witness. You should know that.

No, I think when man’s opinions, interpretations of the supposed facts they come up with that contradict God’s account and record I am going to believe Him. But you calling God a liar is slander and bearing false witness.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I assume this backpedaling is recognition that you are the one that has to put the rubber on the road and I can understand that you don't want to.

Science experiments isn’t where the rubber meets the road brother.
Where the rubber meets the road is am I willing to say to God, I give you my life do with me whatever you want, everything is yours. And do what He says no matter what according to the Word of God.

 

[Ebionite]

That's true as there are expert historians. But they follow the same standard as science, and that is fact and data.

There's much more to it than just facts, historians have to be able to interpret facts within a wider historical context. Science is different because it relies on falsifiability.

Courts don't recognize God.

You don't know what you're talking about. An oath is an act of religion, and courts recognise oaths. Religion is relevant because of the union of the church and the state which goes back to Constantine.

 

[shunyadragon]

In what way do you think its different?

It isnot that it is different some of your posts on this are not clear as in:

"No, experts are credible because they're recognised as having specialist knowledge. The source of that knowledge is immaterial."

Your posts on the role of Judges and the nature and source of Common Law are confusing.