Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Ebionite]

But Hebrew does not use an alphabet, it's an abjad, written entirely in consonants, and the early script wasn't pointed. The original vowel sounds have to be guessed at.

Aleph an ayin are not consonants, aleph takes on the vowel sound of its neighbouring letters. Ayin is similar but is rough where aleph is smooth. Tau and teyet have associated vowel sounds, Ta and Te. There are also variations in pronunciation of B,G,D,K,P,R, and Ta that may be indicated with a dagesh lene (except for R). Vowel pointing beyond dagesh lene is dubious because of the religious prejudice that was introduced by the associated variations in meaning.

 

[YoursTrue]

Presuming that the John that wrote Revelation is the same John that wrote the gospel of John, what he said isn't necessarily reliable.

This is because the differences between the synoptics and the gospel of John all favour the Pharisees in John. This isn't a criticism of John's honesty, but of his interpretation of what he saw and heard.


No, YHWH is the proper name of a singular being, and Elohim (translated as "God") is a plural word.

Elohim as applied to the one true God is termed properly as God of Gods, or plural insofar as majesty.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I am wondering where indeed you saw 70,000 years since you say your eyes focused on the 70,000. I am not saying it began 6000 years ago. But what website says it began 70,000 years ago?

I think what originally happened was that when I converted the verbal 70 million to a numeral, I simply left out a section of 0's because I was typing fast and being careless. It was just a brain fart. This kind of transcription error just happens sometimes. I've had times where I've written a sentence and left out the word "not" rendering what I type to say the exact opposite of what I intended to say. LOL Anyhow, it was a stupid mistake and I feel like an idiot. Can we move on now?

 

[Firenze]

Instead of the original title, this should have just stated "No Evidence Accepted" ......

 

[Firenze]

Elohim as applied to the one true God is termed properly as God of Gods, or plural insofar as majesty.

The 'majestic plural' is a fraud that extends back to the same day the Hebrews decided to expunge their long history of polytheist worship of the 70 gods of the Ugaritic pantheon and pretend they had always worshipped only Yahweh the Vengeful. Their attempts to cover this fact up was poorly done, as the OT clearly shows.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think what originally happened was that when I converted the verbal 70 million to a numeral, I simply left out a section of 0's because I was typing fast and being careless. It was just a brain fart. This kind of transcription error just happens sometimes. I've had times where I've written a sentence and left out the word "not" rendering what I type to say the exact opposite of what I intended to say. LOL Anyhow, it was a stupid mistake and I feel like an idiot. Can we move on now?

Lol I guess so

 

[YoursTrue]

The 'majestic plural' is a fraud that extends back to the same day the Hebrews decided to expunge their long history of polytheist worship of the 70 gods of the Ugaritic pantheon and pretend they had always worshipped only Yahweh the Vengeful. Their attempts to cover this fact up was poorly done, as the OT clearly shows.

I don't think using the word elohim applying to YHWH is a fraudulent application. You know it's like who is applying it. Jesus spoke of his Father as the only true God, right? I believe he knew the scriptures. Sometimes the top editor of a newspaper will say that WE believe this or that when it is only him. Royal we - Wikipedia.

 

[Valjean]

Aleph an ayin are not consonants, aleph takes on the vowel sound of its neighbouring letters. Ayin is similar but is rough where aleph is smooth. Tau and teyet have associated vowel sounds, Ta and Te. There are also variations in pronunciation of B,G,D,K,P,R, and Ta that may be indicated with a dagesh lene (except for R). Vowel pointing beyond dagesh lene is dubious because of the religious prejudice that was introduced by the associated variations in meaning.

So Hebrew is an abugida?

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[Dan From Smithville]

I think what originally happened was that when I converted the verbal 70 million to a numeral, I simply left out a section of 0's because I was typing fast and being careless. It was just a brain fart. This kind of transcription error just happens sometimes. I've had times where I've written a sentence and left out the word "not" rendering what I type to say the exact opposite of what I intended to say. LOL Anyhow, it was a stupid mistake and I feel like an idiot. Can we move on now?

I do that one too. Did it this morning, but caught it before posting. I continue to try and remember to proofread before hitting post reply. But I am still not very consistent with that.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No. For example, in this text Elohim is YHWH and Moses.
So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.
And God spake all these words, saying,
I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exodus 19:25-20:2, KJV

So Mosheh went down unto the people, and spake unto them.
And Elohim spake all these words, saying,
I [am] YHWH Elohyk, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Elohim = אלהים (plural)
Elohyk = אלהיך (singular)

Yes. Christianity conflates the two, eg YHWH from Joel with Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:21

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:34-36

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:10-12

Also from Paul:

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:9-11

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth [in] righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isaiah 45:23

Yes, YHWH spoke to Moses ( the Tetragrammaton ) at Exodus 19.
Please notice LORD is in ALL Upper-Case Letters (KJV) and so is LORD also at Psalm 110.
The Lord (Not in ALL capital letters) stands for Lord Jesus, whereas LORD in ALL CAPITAL letters stands for the Tetragrammaton YHWH
Before Isaiah 45:23 in verse 22 B says '...I am God, and there is no one else' as also at Deuteronomy 4:35 in harmony with Exodus 6:7
This is why No one comes to the Father except through Jesus - John 14:6

 

[YoursTrue]

I do that one too. Did it this morning, but caught it before posting. I continue to try and remember to proofread before hitting post reply. But I am still not very consistent with that.

I guess no one is perfect. Amongst mankind now.

 

[YoursTrue]

I guess no one is perfect. Amongst mankind now.

. My mistake. Oops. I know oh no I believe no one is perfect at the present time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am wondering where indeed you saw 70,000 years since you say your eyes focused on the 70,000. I am not saying it began 6000 years ago. But what website says it began 70,000 years ago?

His link said 70,000,000 years ago. I think that it was just an error since no scientist thinks that it was formed beginning only 70,000 years ago.

 

[Ebionite]

Elohim as applied to the one true God is termed properly as God of Gods, or plural insofar as majesty.

Attempting to communicate with ambiguous language is pointless.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In harmony with your post, it is clear to me and I believe based on consideration that the Almighty Creator of the universe and the earth can use physical laws that He created without harm to the earth and its inhabitants.

So, then the physical laws (natural laws) Not happening by chance but set in motion so precise as to land a man on the moon.
The Law of ' cause and effect ' so the Edenic Law I find was set in motion by the Law Giver at Genesis 2:17.
What ' caused ' death was because of the ' effect ' of sin.
Thus, the removal of sin reverses death, and without death that opens the way up for a physical resurrection.
Not only then is a physical resurrection without harm to the earth and its inhabitants but the opposite of harm.
There will be ' healing ' for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2. - Isaiah 25:8; 1st Corinthians 15:24-26

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think what originally happened was that when I converted the verbal 70 million to a numeral, I simply left out a section of 0's because I was typing fast and being careless. It was just a brain fart. This kind of transcription error just happens sometimes. I've had times where I've written a sentence and left out the word "not" rendering what I type to say the exact opposite of what I intended to say. LOL Anyhow, it was a stupid mistake and I feel like an idiot. Can we move on now?

That has never ever happened to me. Nope. Never Uh uh, Just don't go through my old posts

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, YHWH spoke to Moses ( the Tetragrammaton ) at Exodus 19.
Please notice LORD is in ALL Upper-Case Letters (KJV) and so is LORD also at Psalm 110.
The Lord (Not in ALL capital letters) stands for Lord Jesus, whereas LORD in ALL CAPITAL letters stands for the Tetragrammaton YHWH
Before Isaiah 45:23 in verse 22 B says '...I am God, and there is no one else' as also at Deuteronomy 4:35 in harmony with Exodus 6:7
This is why No one comes to the Father except through Jesus - John 14:6

The all upper case letters is a modern affectation. There are no upper or lower case letter in Hebrew. To be accurate all letters should be all upper case or all lower case if you are going to get hung up on that one small item:

Hebrew 1 Letters

 

[Firenze]

I don't think using the word elohim applying to YHWH is a fraudulent application. You know it's like who is applying it. Jesus spoke of his Father as the only true God, right? I believe he knew the scriptures. Sometimes the top editor of a newspaper will say that WE believe this or that when it is only him. Royal we - Wikipedia.

None of that changes the fact that the Hebrews originally worshipped many gods - who they thought were real - and then changed course to follow one of the 70 sons of El. To deny this is to deny the OT. There is no record of the majestic plural being used by the Hebrews prior to their decision to worship the war god Yahweh. It's a fraud.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

None of that changes the fact that the Hebrews originally worshipped many gods - who they thought were real - and then changed course to follow one of the 70 sons of El. To deny this is to deny the OT. There is no record of the majestic plural being used by the Hebrews prior to their decision to worship the war god Yahweh. It's a fraud.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that you are right in this. So what? What possible difference does it make? Even in your scenario, Jews still evolved monotheism, and the term Elohim can in fact refer to the one and only God.

 

[Firenze]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that you are right in this. So what? What possible difference does it make? Even in your scenario, Jews still evolved monotheism, and the term Elohim can in fact refer to the one and only God.

Except it doesn't, and it's dishonest to pretend it does. The difference is that 'evolved monotheism' is not even close to 'we have been chosen by the only god in the universe. Pretension should not be encouraged over the Truth.