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"It Doesn't Happen!" (e.g. trans women wrecking women's sports)

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member

Heyo

Veteran Member
Much ado about nothing:

"“NAGA does not require biological women to compete against transgender women. Instead, we give the choice to the biological women and if they decline, they compete in a division only with other biological women.”"
The problem doesn't appear to be that there is no policy but that the policy isn't enforced.
In the current climate of heated emotional debate about trans women in women's sport they fear to be called "trans-phobe".
I guess the debate has to cool down significantly before sports association can work out and enforce fair rules.
The Olympic committee has strict rules for testosterone levels and that seems to work to the extend that there is no dominance of trans women at any Olympic sport.
Other associations are still struggling with their rules and simply focussing on testosterone will not cut it forever as men who transition after puberty still regain some advantages.
And the transphobes who masquerade as feminists now are not helping, especially those who oppose even puberty blockers. Puberty blockers are an answer to the problem, not the problem.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
The problem doesn't appear to be that there is no policy but that the policy isn't enforced.
In the current climate of heated emotional debate about trans women in women's sport they fear to be called "trans-phobe".
I guess the debate has to cool down significantly before sports association can work out and enforce fair rules.
The Olympic committee has strict rules for testosterone levels and that seems to work to the extend that there is no dominance of trans women at any Olympic sport.
Other associations are still struggling with their rules and simply focussing on testosterone will not cut it forever as men who transition after puberty still regain some advantages.
And the transphobes who masquerade as feminists now are not helping, especially those who oppose even puberty blockers. Puberty blockers are an answer to the problem, not the problem.
Instead of separating according to gender, why not just separate according to biology?
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
I've voiced concerns about trans women competing against women in sports. Seems bad on many counts.

But "I've been told" many times on this forum variations on "it's not happening" and/or "you're being an alarmist" or "a conspiracy theorist" and so on.

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Yeah. Not really a major concern. Culture wars loses to financial problems at home and the looming specter of a global war.
Trans atheletes are absolutely at the rock bottom of the list of potential concerns for me at the best of times.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Much ado about nothing:

"“NAGA does not require biological women to compete against transgender women. Instead, we give the choice to the biological women and if they decline, they compete in a division only with other biological women.”"

Oh that edit didn't misrepresent the context at all
Yeah. Not really a major concern. Culture wars loses to financial problems at home and the looming specter of a global war.
Trans atheletes are absolutely at the rock bottom of the list of potential concerns for me at the best of times.

Two reasons I think this is important:

1 - it's extremely misogynistic
2 - it's orwellian, 1984, 2 + 2 = 5 stuff. We need critical thinking, not magical thinking.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Not so simple regarding trans folk who've
medically fully transitioned. And what of
inter-sex athletes?
Why would fully transitioning matter? As far as intersex, it is so rare for an athlete to be intersex, but I can understand if an exception made for them depending on their issue, but I would say if you have the Y chromosome, you compete with the men, if you only have X’s you compete with the women.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Why would fully transitioning matter? As far as intersex, it is so rare for an athlete to be intersex, but I can understand if an exception made for them depending on their issue, but I would say if you have the Y chromosome, you compete with the men, if you only have X’s you compete with the women.
You wait til the cyborgs want to compete, think you've got issues now. :p
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why would fully transitioning matter? As far as intersex, it is so rare for an athlete to be intersex, but I can understand if an exception made for them depending on their issue, but I would say if you have the Y chromosome, you compete with the men, if you only have X’s you compete with the women.
Hormone therapy would reduce a trans woman's advantage
over cis women. Examples of highly successful sprinters exist,
eg, women with unusually high levels of testosterone.
They're given much grief about it, despite being cis women.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Hormone therapy would reduce a trans woman's advantage
over cis women. Examples of highly successful sprinters exist,
eg, women with unusually high levels of testosterone.
They're given much grief about it, despite being cis women.
Steroids are illegal in sports; this would apply to everybody; even trans people. People with naturally high levels of Testosterone is acceptable because their testosterone level is natural.
 
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We Never Know

No Slack
Much ado about nothing:

"“NAGA does not require biological women to compete against transgender women. Instead, we give the choice to the biological women and if they decline, they compete in a division only with other biological women.”"

So is NAGA saying it isn't fair so do it only if you choose to?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Hormone therapy would reduce a trans woman's advantage
over cis women. Examples of highly successful sprinters exist,
eg, women with unusually high levels of testosterone.
They're given much grief about it, despite being cis women.

"Hormone therapy would reduce a trans woman's advantage over cis women."

There is that word again that many claim is hardly ever used.

Saying 'trans women' and 'women' already seperate the two

Why not just say...

"Hormone therapy would reduce a trans woman's advantage over 'women"


 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Handicaps for other sports like track and field. Trans girls have to run on the outside lane..
That doesn't sound like it makes everything equal. For track use an MRI to classify muscle mass, bone length and all significant measures and begin establishing a formula, tweaked over time as data is collected. Set all runners back or ahead according to it. Make them really compete.
 
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