Another Trans attempts attack on schools

[Curious George]

No, my sources coverd that. Most mass murders have no history of mental illness. Some do, of course, but even terrorist organizations tend to avoid requiting aming the prfoundly mentally ill as it's a liability, which means also those lucid, sane animal brains are simply acting like the animals we are when they do extreme violence.

Extremism, religion and psychiatric morbidity in a population-based sample of young men

BackgroundThere is growing risk from terrorism following radicalisation of young men. It is unclear whether psychopathology is associated.AimsTo investigate the population distribution of extremist views among UK men.MethodCross-sectional study of 3679 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It's there to a degree, but mental illness is far from the prime mover of such violence.

Again this is addressing severe mental disorders. According to your quote “Mental health issues, (which is what I have addressed), could be associated…or increase risk of engaging in terrorism”

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Again this is addressing severe mental disorders. According to your quote “Mental health issues, (which is what I have addressed), could be associated…or increase risk of engaging in terrorism”

Even severe mental illness there is not a statistically significant correlation. This hypothesis amd myth are especially weakened by the fact terrorist organizations tend to avoid recruiting such people. That means terrorists are largely and mostly sane, lucid and mentally healthy. Just as were most Nazis who participated in the Holocaust and murdered many Jews. It's the same as with any mass murderer picked at random. This person most likely just does not have a history of mental illness.
And that article while saying there could be a link, on average and typically we just don't see it.

 

[Shaul]

Obviously, you choose not to answer the question but to simply deflect.

Oh, the "obvious" argument....

 

[Curious George]

Even severe mental illness there is not a statistically significant correlation.

We are not in disagreement with this. I am not sure how many other ways I can say that I am talking about something broader than what you are calling “severe mental illness.”

This hypothesis and myth are especially weakened by the fact terrorist organizations tend to avoid recruiting such people. That means terrorists are largely and mostly sane, lucid and mentally healthy.

Making the jump to mentally healthy is a non sequitur.

Just as were most Nazis who participated in the Holocaust and murdered many Jews. It's the same as with any mass murderer picked at random. This person most likely just does not have a history of mental illness.
And that article while saying there could be a link, on average and typically we just don't see it.

You are talking about a link that I haven’t suggested.

 

[SomeRandom]

Lol, is that me? I'm black, trans and voted for Trump.

How dare you go against your own people!!
Don’t you know that’s akin to betrayal?!
You will be cancelled, mark my words!


(In case it wasn’t obvious, this post is entirely in jest!)

 

[We Never Know]

I don't think so.



Note: by "banning", I don't understand that to mean a complete 100% ban on any and all types of gun ownership.
Private guns aren't illegal across the board in Belgium for example. Instead, they are just heavily regulated. Licensing is extremely strict and there are very strict rules also concerning registration, use, storage,...

The main problem is that the US treats it like a commodity with barely any regulation, and the little regulation there is, is easily bypassed.
When you have more private guns then citizens, it should be no surprise that it's as easy to obtain them illegally as it is for minors to get their hands on a beer....

What I also find to be extremely disturbing is to see citizens in the US simply carry their guns out in public.

I mean, look at this:

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No, these are not army people or officers of any kind. These are just "citizens". Walking around like that.
I mean... wth...???

What/where is that picture from. What was going on?

I'm curious to the reason that was going on.

About 4 years ago I went to a small country town where BLM were supposed to show up and protest.
Armed people walked and lined the streets. If they couldn't carry a gun, they carried a bat.
BLM did come to town in two vans and a bus, seen what was waiting for them, hit the gas and never looked back.
Don't bring that crap to our small peaceful country towns because folks won't tolerate it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Dead is dead is fact.
You can try to twist my post anyway you like.

I didn't twist anything.
I just borrowed you absurd argument and took it to its logical conclusion.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Its a policy problem. They aren't treated right. They aren't stored right,. They are misused. etc etc.

That all falls under its a people problem.

No, it falls under a policy problem.

We have traffic laws for the same reason.
Without proper traffic policy, deaths in traffic would be x100
And you could call that a "people problem" also. Same thing.

You can call literally EVERYTHING a "people problem".
And we solve "people problems" through proper policy

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I file this under the silly behavior that some people like to engage.

Maybe you should be filing it under "completely bonkers to allow sh!t like that"

I disagree that that there is not a better way to achieve a reduction in death numbers

Every statistic of every western secular democracy around the world, demonstrates otherwise.

But you go ahead and stick your head in the sand.
Meanwhile, I just heared on the radio that yet another trigger-happy american citizen entered a building and shot up the place, leaving yet another 4 dead and several more seriously wounded.

, and what is more, I believe addressing root issues are impacting people would reduce not just gun deaths but deaths unrelated to guns.

The root issue is more private guns then citizens and virtually no serious policy concerning gun use, storage, registration, etc.

Naturally we will both advocate for the methods we think best.

Statistics don't lie.
You are arguing for a crackpot opinion that flies in the face of statistical facts.
I'm arguing for proper gun control in line with what the statistics are telling us.

But you go ahead and do your thing, while people get shot up every day with legally purchased guns and military grade assault weapons.

While I have spent a lost of time considering gun regulation and other methods to reduce death and crime rates, I would encourage you to entertain alternatives.

There are no alternatives when the fact of the matter is that there are more private guns then citizens and virtually no policy to regulate proper use, registration and storage.

If you still believe Gun regulation is the most efficient method, then perhaps reasonable minds just disagree. Certainly no harm there.

"reasonable minds" would take statistics seriously.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What/where is that picture from. What was going on?

It really does not matter.

Regardless of what was going on, no citizen should be allowed to walk the streets like that under any circumstances.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You need to take this one step at a time.
Ok, In America it is a fact that many guns where purchased by someone allowed to have them and then given to someone who isn't. This could be sold, but it's often gifted.
This is an act that warrants criminal prosecution. And it's why we need to know who has the guns amd when they change hands. If it's your gun used a crime, it's your gun. There's some serious explaining to do with that. So mandate the reporting of lost and stolen guns (normally transfered guns, like inheritance must also be reported).
Amd what you presented is filling a false report and lying to the cops during an investigation and those are already illegal.

Right, because it will be sooooo easy to find out that such a false filing was done.
And it's going to be sooooo easy to keep track of 300 million guns in private ownership.

Please.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What/where is that picture from. What was going on?

I'm curious to the reason that was going on.

About 4 years ago I went to a small country town where BLM were supposed to show up and protest.
Armed people walked and lined the streets. If they couldn't carry a gun, they carried a bat.
BLM did come to town in two vans and a bus, seen what was waiting for them, hit the gas and never looked back.
Don't bring that crap to our small peaceful country towns because folks won't tolerate it.

You are a walking example of why your country needs some serious gun regulation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What/where is that picture from. What was going on?

I'm curious to the reason that was going on.

About 4 years ago I went to a small country town where BLM were supposed to show up and protest.
Armed people walked and lined the streets. If they couldn't carry a gun, they carried a bat.
BLM did come to town in two vans and a bus, seen what was waiting for them, hit the gas and never looked back.
Don't bring that crap to our small peaceful country towns because folks won't tolerate it.

Sounds racist and pretty crappy to deny someone their First Amendment rights.
And how do you know it was BLM?
Sounds like the dumb, bigot chickens who di crap like this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/bethel-ohio-black-lives-counterprotest/

“A demonstration to show my neighbors there are people who care, to show my very monochromatic town that Black Lives Matter,” said Gee, a teacher who identified herself as a lifelong resident of the Cincinnati-area village of Bethel, Ohio
...
But the 80 or so expected demonstrators ended up dwarfed Sunday afternoon by some 700 counterprotesters — members of motorcycle gangs, “back the blue” groups and proponents of the Second Amendment, village officials said. Some carried rifles, a local news station reported, while others brought baseball bats and clubs. Police say they are investigating about 10 “incidents” from the clashes that followed, including one in which a demonstrator was punched in the head.


By Monday evening — after another tense day of faceoffs — Mayor Jay Noble had imposed a curfew while citing “the threat of continued and escalating violence,” and Gee had a new message. “It is not a time for any type of Black Lives Matter supporters to be in Bethel,” she said in a video posted to Facebook. “It’s not safe.”
“Our purpose was not to create division in our community, and right now, that division has been just exploded,” she said, urging the mayor to “stand up” and denounce the people who she said had flocked to Bethel not to exercise their First Amendment rights but to “incite fear and hatred.” In a video from Monday, the village police chief tells the tense crowd that he is “not for one side or another.”

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right, because it will be sooooo easy to find out that such a false filing was done.
And it's going to be sooooo easy to keep track of 300 million guns in private ownership.

Please.

We do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organizemeasure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. -JFK
Seems applicable here, as it's pathetic excuse when the Western country who hasn't fixed this problem says it's too hard.

 

[Curious George]

Maybe you should be filing it under "completely bonkers to allow sh!t like that"



Every statistic of every western secular democracy around the world, demonstrates otherwise.

But you go ahead and stick your head in the sand.
Meanwhile, I just heared on the radio that yet another trigger-happy american citizen entered a building and shot up the place, leaving yet another 4 dead and several more seriously wounded.

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The root issue is more private guns then citizens and virtually no serious policy concerning gun use, storage, registration, etc.



Statistics don't lie.
You are arguing for a crackpot opinion that flies in the face of statistical facts.
I'm arguing for proper gun control in line with what the statistics are telling us.

But you go ahead and do your thing, while people get shot up every day with legally purchased guns and military grade assault weapons.



There are no alternatives when the fact of the matter is that there are more private guns then citizens and virtually no policy to regulate proper use, registration and storage.


"reasonable minds" would take statistics seriously.

I think you may need more growth before you can understand other perspectives. Not a problem; we don’t need to have the conversation now. Cheers.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think you may need more growth before you can understand other perspectives. Not a problem; we don’t need to have the conversation now. Cheers.

Let's face it, those who are laughed at throughout history often do have the correct solutions to problems.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So a handful of idiots that go on shooting sprees defines the whole country?

It's not just the guns.

America's cars and trucks are getting bigger, and so are their blind zones. Kids are paying the price.

Every year, many kids get hit and die when their parents can’t see them in their front blind zones. A senator wants to pass a law requiring safety features to prevent these accidents.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We do these things not because they are easy but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organizemeasure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. -JFK
Seems applicable here, as it's pathetic excuse when the Western country who hasn't fixed this problem says it's too hard.

It's just ductape patchwork.

You know what would actually solve it?
Proper gun control.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think you may need more growth before you can understand other perspectives. Not a problem; we don’t need to have the conversation now. Cheers.

Maybe you should look beyond the borders of good ol' america and ask yourself why only your country has this problem.
And while you are at it, compare gun control policies.

 

[Curious George]

Let's face it, those who are laughed at throughout history often do have the correct solutions to problems.

I am not sure what this is supposed to mean. I know that I am not laughing at anyone, so perhaps you mean you are laughing at me?

Not sure. What your intent was here. Cheers