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What will heaven be like?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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I thought to post this thread because yesterday in my GriefShare group the topic was heaven and we watched a video about heaven. The group is comprised of Christians and I am the only Baha’i, although nobody in the group knows that.

As a Baha’i, I believe in heaven, but my beliefs are not exactly the same as Christian beliefs. Firstly, I don’t believe that belief in Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, so only Christians will be in heaven. Secondly, I do not believe that heaven is a geographical location where people go, I believe it is a state of the soul that is near to God, and that after we die, we all go to a spiritual world where everyone will be at various levels of spiritual development.

But this thread is about what heaven will be like, not what we have to do to get there. The Christians in the group said that what heaven will be like is all in the Bible and we have to read the Bible to know what heaven will be like, so what verses specifically describe what heaven will be like?

In the group they said in heaven they will be reunited with their loved one and they will see Jesus. They also said there will be no more sorrow, only joy, since we won’t have to endure all the things we have to endure in this world, like sickness, death, working for a living, and the stresses of everyday life such as car and home repairs.

Christians believe that when they get to heaven, they will see Jesus and converse with Jesus. They also believe they will be reunited with their loved ones, but what do Christians believe they will we be doing for the rest of the time? It seems like that could get boring eventually if that is all they do, as eternity is a very long time. I don’t have a belief about everything we will be doing in heaven, but one thing Baha’is believe we will be doing is continuing to serve God, just as we were doing in this world. The only difference is that there will be no time as we know it in this world, and we won’t have a physical body and all the hassles of everyday life I noted above.

And what kind of body do Christians believe they will have in heaven? The Bible says we will have a spiritual body in heaven, not a physical body (1 Cor 15:40, 44), and that is what Baha’is also believe. Yet in spite of what the Bible actually says, Christians believe they will have a glorified physical body, whatever that is. I see no basis for such a belief since the Bible says nothing about such a body.

Many religious traditions believe in a heaven or paradise where we will be in the afterlife presumably for eternity, so I would like to know what conceptions they hold. If there are scriptures that support those conceptions, I’d like to see those.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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kadzbiz said:
I am being facetious. Because religion is all based on faith. You inevitable make all that is in your mind true to yourself. It will be true until the moment of your expiration. And then there will be nothing.
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That is what I figured, but I thought I would ask anyway.
You are correct that faith is required to believe in a religion, but the belief is also based upon evidence.

Your belief that when we die there will be nothing is not based upon anything except your personal opinion, so in that way it is not much different from my belief that there will be something.

My belief that there will be something has evidence to back it up, not only what religions say, so there is a better reason to believe that there is something rather than nothing.
 
kadzbiz

kadzbiz

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Trailblazer said:
That is what I figured, but I thought I would ask anyway.
You are correct that faith is required to believe in a religion, but the belief is also based upon evidence.

Your belief that when we die there will be nothing is not based upon anything except your personal opinion, so in that way it is not much different from my belief that there will be something.

My belief that there will be something has evidence to back it up, not only what religions say, so there is a better reason to believe that there is something rather than nothing.
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Oh wow, how presumptuous of you. Why do you presume my belief isn’t based on any evidence, and at the same time I ask you to provide your evidence.
 
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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
There is no proof of existence of heaven or hell, nor that of soul, nor even existence of God. All this is human imagination because of fear of death.
After death is the chemical recycling of what one's body is made of, whether one is cremated, buried, exposed or cast into the sea.
This can be checked by examining the bodies that are buried. In case of very dry regions, burial in snow or bogs, or after cleaning for embalming as in the case of Egyptian Pharaohs, the skin will shrivel up and last for centuries.

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Mummy of Pharaoh Ramases III who died had a violent death (1186-11855 BCE).
 
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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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kadzbiz said:
Oh wow, how presumptuous of you. Why do you presume my belief isn’t based on any evidence, and at the same time I ask you to provide your evidence.
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That is not presumptuous. How can you have evidence of something that does not exist?
What kind of evidence do you want? I ask because I doubt you want what I have.
 
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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Aupmanyav said:
There is no proof of existence of heaven or hell, nor that of soul, nor even existence of God. All this is human imagination because of fear of death. After death is the chemical recycling of what your body is made of, whether one is cremated, buried, exposed or cast into the sea.
This can be checked by examining the bodies that are buried. In case of very dry regions, burial in snow or bogs, or after cleaning for embalming as in the case of Egyptian Pharaohs, the skin will shrivel up and last for centuries.
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We know what happens to our physical bodies, but it is not the body that continues to exist, it is the soul.
After death, the soul takes on a spiritual body and passes to he spiritual world where it continues to live.

I cannot prove that but you will have your evidence after you die, I guarantee it.
 
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What will heaven be like?

I don't know. I know God and by that I believe it will be much better than I could ever imagine. But, it is for righteous, and I don't know am I righteous enough to be there.

For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:20
 
Sgt. Pepper

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I'm familiar with the Christian beliefs you described in your OP because I once held those beliefs myself. I believed that Jesus was the only way to be saved and that accepting him as your personal lord and savior was the only way to enter heaven, that Christians went to heaven to be with Jesus immediately after their deaths, that only Christians would be in heaven with God and Jesus, and that heaven and hell were both geographical locations. Of course, I no longer believe these things because: (1) I renounced my Christian faith and reread and reexamined the Bible without rose-colored glasses; and (2) I've had countless encounters with the paranormal as a psychic medium and paranormal investigator that directly contradict what the Bible teaches about what happens to people after death. Based on my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator, not all the spirits of Christians go to the spirit world right away after they die, nor are they asleep in their graves, waiting for a future resurrection of believers and nonbelievers. As a medium, I have guided and convinced many lost and confused spirits of Christians to cross over into the spirit world. For the sake of this thread's topic, I'll repeat the story I shared about the spirit of the young girl I convinced to cross over (read my story here). She was an earthbound human spirit, despite being a devout Christian.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Aupmanyav said:
You cannot prove anything whatsoever. You are living in your own imginery world. I have proof here and now.
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Yep. And the next rebirth will be the same as this one was once the atoms do their thing with all that rearranging and stuff.

A clean wiped slate with nothing at all until the information comes in and emerges another ego another being for another lifetime without any memory or recollection of the previous one.

But that's for the next being to worry about.



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