Anti-trans bill passes in Kentucky

[We Never Know]

No, you keep forgetting that "most of the experts on everything" are NOT elected politicians.

Look, you are so inconsistent sometimes it boggles the mind. Above, you complained that the medical profession should not be involved in making decisions (or helping parents make decisions) about gender dysphoria, because "they are a business." For that reason, you are content to leave it to politicians to "regulate" them. But you don't want other businesses regulated (like the financial industry, or those destroying our ecosystems) -- that would be antithetical to your view of "liberty."

Can you see the inconsistency? What do you suppose is the reason for it? Is it because this is about sex -- which religions seem to want to control in everybody?

"Above, you complained that the medical profession should not be involved in making decisions (or helping parents make decisions) about gender dysphoria"

Did I? Where at? Or is that just what you assume!

They are a business. Refute that!

Covid was overdiagnosed for reinbursment purposes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There is no need for any of that. Children are developmentally incapable of being sexual. Exploiting an incapable person is criminal.

You didn't answer the question,

 

[SkepticThinker]

If you can't tell the difference between circumcision and sexual mutilation then I think your opinion can be ignored on this subject. Have a nice day.

You could also elucidate that for us, but chose not to for some reason.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, we don't "compromise". We err on the side of caution by making sex with children illegal.

Yeah, that is all about actual sex as the act. I mean that is what we as you and I are doing right now. It is all nothing about actual sex.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"Above, you complained that the medical profession should not be involved in making decisions (or helping parents make decisions) about gender dysphoria"

Did I? Where at? Or is that just what you assume!

They are a business. Refute that!

Covid was overdiagnosed for reinbursment purposes.

In other words if a medical condition makes you uneasy because of your superstitions and insecurities, then all the of the world's doctors must have conspired together to fabricate it for profit?

Name one medical facility, treatment facility or Dr clinic/office that isn't a business.

Your response to @Father Heathen's specific question, and also your statement about Covid above, clearly imply you think that the medical profession, unlike other businesses which you do not want to see regulated, are inventing conditions for profit, and that politicians should therefore regulate them. This is totally contradictory to your position on government regulation of other businesses.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

OMG Children are developmentally incapable of dealing with sex.

Even infants are known for touching their genitals and masturbating because they discover that touch feels good.

 

[Shaul]

You could also elucidate that for us, but chose not to for some reason.

Yes, I did choose not to. Now back to the question at hand, sexually mutilating children for "gender dysphoria" is moral criminal.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, we don't "compromise". We err on the side of caution by making sex with children illegal.

Except we tend not to press charges when it's a couple of highschoolers.

 

[Shaul]

Even infants are known for touching their genitals and masturbating because they discover that touch feels good.

Which is no argument at all that "adults" should then surgically destroy children's genitalia.

 

[Shaul]

Yeah, that is all about actual sex as the act. I mean that is what we as you and I are doing right now. It is all nothing about actual sex.

Sex acts or genital mutilation, don't do it to children.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Which is no argument at all that "adults" should then surgically destroy children's genitalia.

Then ban circumcision, which serves no real need or purpose except in rare cases that are medical emergencies.
Sort if like how gender affirming care itself serves no real need or purpose outside of rare medical emergencies.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sex acts or genital mutilation, don't do it to children.

Yeah, that is all there is to the question of being trans and under 18, right? Children is any one under 18 and it is nothing but having sex with them and genital mutilation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, I did choose not to. Now back to the question at hand, sexually mutilating children for "gender dysphoria" is moral criminal.

What's the point, if you won't even bother explaining why or how you think kids are being sexualized?

 

[Father Heathen]

"What criteria separates legitimate medical conditions from ones you believe were invented to make a profit"


Those are your words, not mine.

I stated a fact that they are a business.

Okay, then what else were we supposed to infer from that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

<yawn> cheap attempt to change the subject. "Sexual reassignment" surgery for children is wrong.

And we have your usual strawman. No one is advocating sexual reassignment surgery for children.

 

[Father Heathen]

<yawn> cheap attempt to change the subject. "Sexual reassignment" surgery for children is wrong.

Circumcision is even more wrong because it serves no legitimate medical purpose and its victims have no voice. Your silly superstitious beliefs change nothing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"What criteria separates legitimate medical conditions from ones you believe were invented to make a profit"


Those are your words, not mine.

I stated a fact that they are a business.

It's the way you brought it up, as though that must have something to do with gender dysphoria being treated.

 

[Father Heathen]

OMG Children are developmentally incapable of dealing with sex. Their psyches are simply incapable of dealing with sex. That's why sex with children is universally condemned and prohibited. Sexualizing children is criminal and disgusting.
Leave the kids alone!

How are kids being "sexualized"? Does treating someone's gender dysphoria turn them into an object of desire for you? Don't craft your kinks into straw men.

Besides, doesn't your religion practice Metzitzah b'peh? Seems like you're in no position to talk.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sex acts or genital mutilation, don't do it to children.

Which is no argument at all that "adults" should then surgically destroy children's genitalia.

Unless you include circumcision, you're statement is invalid.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Some people really, really need to watch Jon Stewart's interview with parents of trans kids. It's eye-opening for those who don't understand.


"Stewart also featured an important discussion with parents of trans youth, and legal and medical experts.

Debi Jackson, who has a transgender child, told her story, explaining that when her daughter starting expressing her true gender, Jackson herself was conservative and unfamiliar with transgender people: “We had no idea what it meant,” but she and her family sought out advice from doctors, including endocrinologists, to get educated about healthcare for trans youth. All major medical associations support gender-affirming care.

Stewart directly asks Dr. Joshua Safer, an endocrinologist: “What are the downsides of not giving gender-affirming care? What would be the harm in waiting?”

Safer replies with the facts about depression and suicide exacerbated by transgender youth being not affirmed. Research from the Trevor Project found that that more than half of transgender and nonbinary youth considered suicide last year.

Jackson brought up what transition can look like - her daughter transitioned socially at the age of four: “It was just name, pronouns, hair, saying daughter instead of son.”

Keisha Michaels told audiences about the difference it made when she and her family began to support her transgender child: “She literally lit up, she woke up when we supported her. We said, ‘we recognize that this is who you are, and we’re gonna support you in our house, and we’re gonna support you in your life.’” Michaels continued: “Gender-affirming care starts at home."

Jon Stewart sets the record straight on gender-affirming care | GLAAD

The season two premiere of The Problem with Jon Stewart (watch free here) is an insightful and pointed interrogation of political opportunists and right-wing extremists attempting to ban lifesaving healthcare for trans youth. “Wow. That’s an incredibly made-up figure,” Stewart tells the Arkansas...

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