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Let's not talk about the Big Bang

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
OK, actually I'm not sure what you are saying about my belief. I am saying simply that according to the theories, abiogenesis is integral to evolution. Evolution simply cannot happen without abiogenesis. Granted the theory of evolution is certainly more detailed than that of abiogenesis but it cannot be possible (even if I disagree with the theory of evolution) without starting somewhere, somehow. (which I am saying is abiogenesis for the theoretical scientific view)
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It started somewhere. But it was after life itself started.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Subduction Zone said:
It started somewhere. But it was after life itself started.
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It makes much more sense to me that God breathed the breath of life into whatever and however He did it. Rather than it coming about by some chemical reaction without an intelligent force. We have nostrils, and in relation to the body they're pretty small. Yet we must keep breathing otherwise we die. I find that amazing.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
It makes much more sense to me that God breathed the breath of life into whatever and however He did it. Rather than it coming about by some chemical reaction without an intelligent force. We have nostrils, and in relation to the body they're pretty small. Yet we must keep breathing otherwise we die. I find that amazing.
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That is rather silly. You would rather believe a myth than what the evidence shows us to be the case.

Yes, we breathe. Do you know why? To keep those chemical reactions that you doubt going.

Have you ever considered reasoning rationally?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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We Never Know said:
I accept existence is eternal because.....

if absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing existing
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That does not sound like sound reasoning. There is a big unknown at the start of our universe. There may be more out there. Or time itself may have started with our universe. I am not saying it is either one for sure. I am saying that we really do not know. One can believe either way.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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Subduction Zone said:
That does not sound like sound reasoning. There is a big unknown at the start of our universe. There may be more out there. Or time itself may have started with our universe. I am not saying it is either one for sure. I am saying that we really do not know. One can believe either way.
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Hmmm... You already more or less agreed to this...

"If absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing"

With your post of "That sort of nothing may not be possible"

Things exist so....
 
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exchemist

exchemist

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Ben Dhyan said:
The key words are "back in time to a certain point". You are telling me that I am not supposed to ask about beyond that certain point? What sort of science is that, where did you get that idea?

Does BB science believe in a miracle? Definition: an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency:
miracle definition - Bing
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Read my post. I said that though you can always ask more questions, a given model of science may not provide answers to everything you might like to know.

Science does not do metaphysics.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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exchemist said:
Read my post. I said that though you can always ask more questions, a given model of science may not provide answers to everything you might like to know.

Science does not do metaphysics.
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"a given model of science may not provide answers to everything"

I 100% agree with that statement. Which leaves the BB, abiogenisis, a god and creation lacking answers.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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We Never Know said:
Good! Now we all can agree that we don't know how the universe started and when anyone says the BB.... its the wrong answer.
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The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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We Never Know said:
"a given model of science may not provide answers to everything"

I 100% agree with that statement. Which leaves the BB, abiogenisis, a god and creation lacking answers.
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Lacking metaphysical answers certainly. Certain classes of questions are within the domain of science. Others are not. Your list is a mixture, needing more discipline in thinking on your part.
 
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exchemist said:
The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.
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"that there was a start"

So at one point, before the start, absolutely nothing ever existed? That would would mean absolutely nothing should still exist.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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exchemist said:
The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started, and also suggests that there was a start. That’s all.
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"The Big Bang is a model for how the universe developed, once it had started"

So do you agree there was a "start" before expansion?
 
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