Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders

[Apostle John]

I don't think Baha'is believe that a Great Tribulation was supposed to happen before their prophet came. But now, I think they do expect times to get very bad because the world essentially rejected their prophet.

That‘s why it is a false religion. Only the Lord Jesus knew about the Great Tribulation.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I'm guessing apparently you don't believe in Christ or that he created all things.

Or maybe you are thinking that I am saying Christianity was before Buddha - I said Christ was before Buddha.

In the Old Testament the Canaanites of the City of Salem, by whom Melchizedek was king of and high priest to the most high God whom they called El / Elohim. Elohim turned from the Canaanites and made a covenant with Abraham, he changed his name and became Yahweh through Moses. Born in the New Testament in a flesh body his name was Yeshua in the Hebrew and Jesus in English.

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People have a tendency to start in the middle instead of the beginning. The worship of God has always been since the creation of man. The Sumerians are the oldest civilization in the world and because they didn't have a named religion they're not considered - but they worshiped gods Anu _ Enlil _ Enki who seem to have several offshoots to other civilizations. Abraham was from the city of Ur which was a city of ancient Sumeria, now called Mesopotamia.

What's the world's oldest civilization?

Did the first civilization arise in Mesopotamia, or elsewhere?

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Can you show me texts that show Jesus Christ prior to the common era?

 

[stvdv]

Christ isn’t just a person to them, but often a path, a Weltanschauung, even a lifestyle. I completely understand where any feelings of superiority come from- not just in Christianity,

Yes, understandably, it's the ego thinking it's so very important in this huge universe

Egocentric (I am centre of all), similar people believed in geocentric (all revolves around earth), similar Christcentric, all is about only Christ.

Common denominator is EGO
Master in veiling TRUTH

 

[stvdv]

Christ isn’t just a person to them, but often a path, a Weltanschauung, even a lifestyle. I completely understand where any feelings of superiority come from- not just in Christianity,

but in other systems as well- where any person or culture who deeply resonates with their gods or prophets commits themselves to a way of life

UNLESS

and believes it is what’s best for themselves or perhaps even for others.

you have a Master like Sai Baba, who declares "all religions can lead to God". I never have this thought, that other Religions are inferior

So, in the end, this clearly proves how easily billions can be brainwashed and fooled, just tickling the Ego a bit the right (or is it wrong) way

 

[stvdv]

Can you show me texts that show Jesus Christ prior to the common era?

Jesus of Nazareth is different than Jesus Christ

 

[Truthseeker]

Okay, what are those "aspects of the same truth"? Take those things out of all religions and put them aside. Now do the same with the laws found in each religion and take them out and put them aside. What is left? I think there's still beliefs in each religion that can't be called "laws" or "aspects" of the same truth. In Christianity one those things would be their beliefs about how sin entered the world and how it took the sacrifice of dying on the cross by Jesus that allowed those that belief in him to be saved. What is that? Is it true? Does your religion believe that? Especially the part where sin entered the world through Adam's disobedience?

I think there are those types of beliefs in all religions that make them very different and very contradictory to each other.

That's true about the religions as they developed, but what about what about the originators of those religions?

 

[Muffled]

The answer will differ according to each individual’s Religious beliefs.
To me Christ has no relevance any more then any other person the walked the Earth.

I believe as God in the flesh He has the right to say that all authority has been given to Him.

 

[Muffled]

I have no reason to believe Krishna is older. But, maybe that is irrelevant. I think they don't have same teachings. And I think the teachings of Jesus are more meaningful. For example because Jesus wanted all people to hear his message.

Even if he is older I believe there is no way to patent a concept as though he were the only one to think it up. Even Jesus does not present everything as new. Much of what He said reiterates or comments on the OT.

 

[Muffled]

The spiritual teachings such as to love God and each other, lead a virtuous life and have a pure heart are the same. Only the social laws and customs which are different for each culture differ such as marriage and diet.

Think of the physical sun. It returns each day but is the same sun. But with regard to the days we call them by different names but it is still the same sun.

So too the Word of God rises and sets in every age and although at one time it is called Jesus and at another Krishna, it is the same Sun of Truth rising and setting each day.

But some, unaware of this will argue that the sun of Monday and the sun of Tuesday are two different suns. We know that not to be true. It’s an illusion. There is really only one Sun both physical and spiritual.

I believe God does not lie so finding a false concept by Krishna reveals that He is not an incarnation of God.

 

[Aupmanyav]

From the 'normal' Christian perspective, Christ's superiority comes from the fact that he actually existed.

A topic for debate. The first proven mention of Jesus is from 199 AD (Wikipedia). And even if a person existed, that does not make him/her superior in any way. For Christians, OK, but not for others.

There’s evidence of God the Creator in His Word, the Bible. ..

And unfortunately, nowhere else.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe God does not lie so finding a false concept by Krishna reveals that He is not an incarnation of God.

Now how do we decide it. We could have had a duel if we lived in the same city or country. We can abuse or curse each other, but that will not be civil. Actually Krishna is not a historical person. Krishna is a myth, and Hindus ascribe words of wisdom to such figure, Krishna, Rama, VedaVyasa, etc. Since Hinduism is an indigenous pagan religion, not established by any one person, and one of the oldest religions (was there when the Aryans came to India around 2000 BCE).

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe as God in the flesh He has the right to say that all authority has been given to Him.

God cannot be flesh because God is spirit.
Christ was a Manifestation of God in the flesh since He manifested the attributes of God, but He was not an incarnation.

 

[CG Didymus]

That‘s why it is a false religion. Only the Lord Jesus knew about the Great Tribulation.

Well, one of them is false. Either the Evangelical Christians or the Baha'i Faith. What's good about them is that they make all religions equally good and true... for their time. What's bad is that they don't really deal with the basic doctrine of salvation. They have no fall, and they have no real Satan. So, why didn't Jesus have to die? It wasn't something necessary if Adam never caused sin and death to enter the world. And then, they reject a literal, physical resurrection. And that's why I continually argue with them when they act as if they believe in Jesus and the Bible. The best they can say is that they believe in their extreme "symbolic" and "allegorical" interpretation of the Bible and NT.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

A topic for debate. The first proven mention of Jesus is from 199 AD (Wikipedia). And even if a person existed, that does not make him/her superior in any way. For Christians, OK, but not for others.

Not much to debate.
People seem to be misconstruing my point. I'm not arguing that Christ is objectively 'better' than other prophets.
I'm saying that the average Christian sees Jesus as real and divine, and that THAT is what makes Jesus better in their mind. It's not a matter of lining up 'good qualities' and judging one prophet versus another.

For me, I'm an atheist.

That's why I said 'from a 'normal' Christian perspective'...

Not my perspective but still...

 

[Aupmanyav]

For me, I'm an atheist.
That's why I said 'from a 'normal' Christian perspective'...

I too am a strong atheist. God, soul and prophets have no meaning for me, and I consider them false beliefs with no evidence.
Now let us look at it from the perspective of the OP, Loverofhumanity. OP says that prophets of all religions are equal. Therefore, there should be no problem in putting Bahaollah, the Bahai manifestation of Allah, in the same category. That is what OP is aiming at.

 

[Apostle John]

Well, one of them is false. Either the Evangelical Christians or the Baha'i Faith. What's good about them is that they make all religions equally good and true... for their time. What's bad is that they don't really deal with the basic doctrine of salvation. They have no fall, and they have no real Satan. So, why didn't Jesus have to die? It wasn't something necessary if Adam never caused sin and death to enter the world. And then, they reject a literal, physical resurrection. And that's why I continually argue with them when they act as if they believe in Jesus and the Bible. The best they can say is that they believe in their extreme "symbolic" and "allegorical" interpretation of the Bible and NT.

This is hypothetical. Everyone needs The Saviour Jesus Christ in order to enter heaven. False religions lead to the other eternal destination.

 

[PearlSeeker]

OP says that prophets of all religions are equal. Therefore, there should be no problem in putting Bahaollah, the Bahai manifestation of Allah, in the same category. That is what OP is aiming at.

Baha'is say they regard all prophets as equal. But when we look closer this doesn't appear to be true. Baha'is believe that only they understand their Messenger correctly (other religions corrupted God's message) and only their Messenger understands all other Messengers and scriptures correctly. This reinterpretation of others and belief in superiority is not much different from Christianity.

Christians reinterpreted only the Jewish prophets. At least they admit that messengers (originators) of other (non-Jewish) religions had their own teaching that is different despite some common ground.

PS: Nice to see you're still here.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Baha'is say they regard all prophets as equal. But when we look closer this doesn't appear to be true. Baha'is believe that only they understand their Messenger correctly (other religions corrupted God's message) and only their Messenger understands all other Messengers and scriptures correctly. This reinterpretation of others and belief in superiority is not much different from Christianity.

To me this makes you sound like you know the TRUTH and there's nothing that I (as a Baha'i) could possibly say that would open a way for you to consider other possibilities. In view of the fact that things are not always what they seem I'm willing to share a couple realities that I've come across that you may or may not know about.

Please consider that Baha'i teachings don't put the Prophets of God in some kind of goodness contest. My understanding is that all the Prophets are one and the same because they are all conduits for same Creator. Jesus (the Christ) and Mirza Hussain Ali (Baha'u'llah) we're men who were different, born at different times & places, and then they both revealed the same Word of God at different times and places --establishing a religion and book of teachings for different times and places.

Christians reinterpreted only the Jewish prophets. At least they admit that messengers (originators) of other (non-Jewish) religions had their own teaching that is different despite some common ground.

PS: Nice to see you're still here.

While Christianity is the largest religion in the world most people in the world are not members. That still leaves a lot of differences in approach that can be followed. It's so hard to say what "the Christian interpretation" is about something in view of the fact that as individuals they can all go a lot of different directions.

 

[Audie]

I have been on topic Christ is founder and part of the Triune God who the Bible says upholds the world. So a simple question that you supposed realists still struggle to answer is how atoms form molecules form dna form consciousness without a chemist or Creator still goes unanswered. It is said Chris Hitchens was an effective debater but I doubt he could answer this question without babbling.

You are on your personal topic not what I said.

I was talking about disproof of flood, none of the things you bring up here. If you cannot cope with disproof of your imaginary flood, just say so.

 

[PureX]

This question to me has been a huge cause of strife, disunity and even war. All the great Teachers/Prophets (Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna etc) in history taught spirituality. So in my mind They are all equal with regards to this purpose.

But many Christians , clinging to one or two verses, fanatically assert Christ’s superiority and that other religions are ‘Satan inspired’ and their founders - false prophets. Do you agree with this?

Krishna and Buddha are revered by their followers and were well before the time of Christ yet no mention is made in the Bible that Krishna or Buddha are from Satan. And as the Bible is claimed to be God’s Word and God is All Knowing, no mention either that Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah are false Prophets. So where is the Bible stating all these other religions are false according to Christians.

There are verses where Christ says He is the beginning and the end but so too did Krishna say the same thousands of years before Christ appeared. So why the insistence on Jesus being superior when if anything Jesus taught love above anything else. Why is supremacy so important to so many Christians?

Christ isn't a prophet or founder. Christ is a way of being based on a Divine revelation and a promise, delivered to us via the storied example of the life and death of Jesus of Nazareth. The revelation and promise will be apparent to anyone with eyes to see and a mind that's willing to use them.

The religions that happened as a result are their own entity and are only tangentially related to the revelation and promise of Christ.