Restaurants now charging 30 dollars for a regular size pizza in NY.

[Revoltingest]

Part of the issue as well, might be a rise in fertilizer cost, which in turn would probably raise the price of a pizza. Fertilizer, was apparently produced at a high scale by russia, likely sold less globally at this time due to sanctions. I think another issue is, is that I suspect america is not the biggest wheat producer, comparing to things like corn and soybeans. And also that we consolidate a lot of our yield, probably, into producing beef, which if I recall, is not the most efficient way to scale up protein yield, via conversion of crops

His problem isn’t ingredient prices. It’s the high cost of running a business in NY. Elsewhere, pizza is cheap.
Expect high prices in the high rent district of Trump’s home town.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

His problem isn’t ingredient prices. It’s the high cost of running a business in NY. Elsewhere, pizza is cheap.
Expect high prices in the high rent district of Trump’s home town.

There does seem to be something arbitrary about costs, but I would think that would be in addition to the ingredient prices.

 

[Revoltingest]

There does seem to be something arbitrary about costs, but I would think that would be in addition to the ingredient prices.

Prices aren’t arbitrary. Costs and demand have great influence.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Most people making that aren't skilled and probably aren't supporting themselves.

Define "skilled" and "supporting themselves". Not a dictionary definition, but more what you mean by this in regards to minimum wage workers.

That doesn’t support the claim they can’t move. Only that they are less likely to. Ivory tower, eh. Sanctimonious newbies sure do make presumptions.

There's no presumption, rev, it's all over this thread. But sure, let's try just once to illustrate this for you.

Let's say someone is wanting to move jobs. Their current job is terrible, and they want to do better. Currently they're making $20/hr, which amounts to about $1,000 after taxes. That's realistically $26,000 annually, give or take. That's the actual amount of money they have to survive on every year. Monthly is around $2,000. Cost of living monthly is $800 in rent, $200 in groceries, $150 in phone bills, and around $700 in assorted bills. Totaling $1,850. They cannot afford to make any less than $20/hr. And yet everywhere else is offering starting pay at $11. That's half of what's needed to live - can you see how that might be just a little bit of a problem?

 

[Revoltingest]

You pontificate about my background without knowledge or even asking. Very likely I was doing grunt work as an employee before you were even a gleam in yer daddy’s eye.
I’ve done nearly everything but gay sex, wearing a uniform, and sharing feelings. (Ain’t gonna start now.)
So don’t hand me lame excuses for the impossibility of ever leaving one job for another, or improving one’s pay.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You pontificate about my background without knowledge or even asking. Very likely I was doing grunt work as an employee before you were even a gleam in yer daddy’s eye.
I’ve done nearly everything but gay sex, wearing a uniform, and sharing feelings. (Ain’t gonna start now.)

Would you like a cookie? You're over here pontificating about "lazy employees", apparently judging things as how they were "back in your day" without recognizing - actively so - that the job market and workplace has changed drastically from when you were an employee. Do you care to wrestle back to the topic presented, or are you sticking with the self-victimization?

In fact, let's illustrate another thing because I saw you scoff away the notion that people can be too poor to work.

Most jobs require a reliable form of communication (a phone), a residence, and a reliable method of transportation. So that's at least $27.50 a month for the phone, an average of $1,691 monthly for a studio apartment, and if you don't live anywhere near your prospective job let's just say $200 monthly - Uber is expensive.

What does someone do if they don't have $2,000 a month for those three things alone? Guess they just... die?

 

[Kathryn]

Define "skilled" and "supporting themselves". Not a dictionary definition, but more what you mean by this in regards to minimum wage workers.

Here's exactly what I mean - hardly anyone makes minimum wage. Starting wages around here are at $15 an hour (in small city Texas) for flipping burgers or working the drive through. But don't take it from me, take it from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is run by the government.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2021/pdf/home.pdf


Oh, and they tend to be very young, which means that by that virtue alone, they are inexperienced, aka "unskilled." And since they are so very young (under 25), they are also much less likely to be even trying to support themselves, let alone a family.

Over 98 percent of workers make over minimum wage, for the record. I mean, since we're talking about minimum wage and minimum wage workers.

 

[Revoltingest]

Would you like a cookie? You're over here pontificating about "lazy employees", apparently judging things as how they were "back in your day" without recognizing - actively so - that the job market and workplace has changed drastically from when you were an employee. Do you care to wrestle back to the topic presented, or are you sticking with the self-victimization?

In fact, let's illustrate another thing because I saw you scoff away the notion that people can be too poor to work.

Most jobs require a reliable form of communication (a phone), a residence, and a reliable method of transportation. So that's at least $27.50 a month for the phone, an average of $1,691 monthly for a studio apartment, and if you don't live anywhere near your prospective job let's just say $200 monthly - Uber is expensive.

What does someone do if they don't have $2,000 a month for those three things alone? Guess they just... die?

My advice to people who feel trapped in a bad job:
Grow up.
Ditch the excuses.
Plan.
Execute plan.
Celebrate.

 

[Kathryn]

Would you like a cookie? You're over here pontificating about "lazy employees", apparently judging things as how they were "back in your day" without recognizing - actively so - that the job market and workplace has changed drastically from when you were an employee. Do you care to wrestle back to the topic presented, or are you sticking with the self-victimization?

In fact, let's illustrate another thing because I saw you scoff away the notion that people can be too poor to work.

Most jobs require a reliable form of communication (a phone), a residence, and a reliable method of transportation. So that's at least $27.50 a month for the phone, an average of $1,691 monthly for a studio apartment, and if you don't live anywhere near your prospective job let's just say $200 monthly - Uber is expensive.

What does someone do if they don't have $2,000 a month for those three things alone? Guess they just... die?

No but one thing they need to do is move if the average rent for a studio apartment is right at $1700 a month. The average rent here for instance, in 2023, for a one bedroom apartment is about half that. The average rent for a studio apartment is $1150 a month. Or heck, get a two bedroom apartment and get a roommate. The average rent for a two bedroom apartment is $1195. We've got Uber and buses (and bus tickets or passes) and all that stuff too.

Hey, a country boy (or girl) can survive. LOL

 

[Revoltingest]

No but one thing they need to do is move if the average rent for a studio apartment is right at $1700 a month. The average rent here for instance, in 2023, for a one bedroom apartment is about half that. The average rent for a studio apartment is $1150 a month. Or heck, get a two bedroom apartment and get a roommate. The average rent for a two bedroom apartment is $1195. We've got Uber and buses (and bus tickets or passes) and all that stuff too.

Hey, a country boy (or girl) can survive. LOL

My daughter pays $3500/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in NYC. And she says it’s a good deal.
She’s moving to NJ to buy a house for….uh….a lot.
I’d make different choices.

 

[Kathryn]

My daughter pays $3500/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in NYC. And she says it’s a good deal.
She’s moving to NJ to buy a house for….uh….a lot.
I’d make different choices.

You aren't kidding! Sheeze. My SIL lived in NYC for about ten years and had to walk up FIVE FLIGHTS of stairs to get to her apartment, which was tiny and super expensive.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Here's exactly what I mean - hardly anyone makes minimum wage. Starting wages around here are at $15 an hour (in small city Texas) for flipping burgers or working the drive through. But don't take it from me, take it from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which is run by the government.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2021/pdf/home.pdf


Oh, and they tend to be very young, which means that by that virtue alone, they are inexperienced, aka "unskilled." And since they are so very young (under 25), they are also much less likely to be even trying to support themselves, let alone a family.

Over 98 percent of workers make over minimum wage, for the record. I mean, since we're talking about minimum wage and minimum wage workers.

I don't know if there is any historical precedent for people ever waiting until 30 to have a family, until around the time that the millennial generation, of which I'm a part, came along. Starting with my generation, we were generally told that college and high financial facility were requirements, if you were to do that. I never did it, since I lacked those things for most of my life, though I finally have kind of a "good" blue-collar job

But even with my finally attaining a "good" blue-collar job, (and naturally in order to do that, I'm nearing 40) I feel like there really is no social incentive for me proceed into a family life, because the 'wall' still feels like it's quite firmly there, as family life seems like it's firmly in the domain of the white-collar. And again, I don't know if there is exactly a historical precedent for that, but whatever. I'm too old to care much about it now.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Here's exactly what I mean - hardly anyone makes minimum wage.

That's 1% of the work force making at or below the Federal minimum wage. Which is still at $7.25, and is abysmal. And yet people are still living paycheck-to-paycheck. What's more, 55.7% of workers making at or below minimum wage are above 25. But that's not really what I asked, so let's inch on and see if we get there.

Oh, and they tend to be very young, which means that by that virtue alone, they are inexperienced, aka "unskilled." And since they are so very young (under 25), they are also much less likely to be even trying to support themselves, let alone a family.

There we are. They're kids, so of course they're unskilled. They're kids, so they're not supporting anyone. Never mind that as noted above 55.7% of people making at or less than minimum wage are older than 25. People also start families well before 25, and with all these restrictions on reproductive rights that's looking to be a lot lower. But I digress.

You call them "unskilled" purely on virtue of their assumed age. Are you able to do their jobs if you were to just be plopped right in there? Are you able to maintain composure and professionalism when being screamed at by some rabid Karen? "Anyone can flip a burger" but can you manage thirty of them all at once, each with customizations, while also keeping an eye on everything else? These are rhetorical, by the way.

No but one thing they need to do is move if the average rent for a studio apartment is right at $1700 a month.

That's the national average. And still yet, moving is not always feasible. Do you have any idea how expensive moving can be these days? Much less moving to get set up in a new apartment? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious if you have the slightest idea.

We've got Uber and buses (and bus tickets or passes) and all that stuff too.

Likewise do you have any clue how expensive Uber is?

My advice to people who feel trapped in a bad job:
Grow up.
Ditch the excuses.
Plan.
Execute plan.
Celebrate.

I don't often oath by different faiths, but Jesus Christ that is atrocious, patently blind advice. That's some [REDACTED] I'd expect from Andrew Tate. Thank you, Revolting, I will bless every day that I don't work for you.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Prices aren’t arbitrary. Costs and demand have great influence.

In our societal context, maybe, but our context seems to be quite a bit subjective. People have lived, probably for 10s of thousands of years, without any of the conventions we have.. (rent, stock markets, mortgages etc.)

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't often oath by different faiths, but Jesus Christ that is atrocious, patently blind advice. That's some [REDACTED] I'd expect from Andrew Tate. Thank you, Revolting, I will bless every day that I don't work for you.

I wouldn’t tolerate all the complaining.

 

[Revoltingest]

In our societal context, maybe, but our context seems to be quite a bit subjective. People have lived, probably for 10s of thousands of years, without any of the conventions we have.. (rent, stock markets, mortgages etc.)

People can still live that way.
Most choose not to.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For such handicapped folk, government assistance is appropriate. I addressed only the usual functioning adult…& thought that was understood. For them, if they feel trapped in a job, it’s a trap of their own making.

We are very capable and very good. We should have to rely on government handouts when we can do the job better than many of the wankers who are employed.
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[amorphous_constellation]

People can still live that way.
Most choose not to.

You technically are not allowed to, I had thought. I cannot start a tribe, and go camp on yonder hill, hunting and foraging for food, and making campfires, etc. Not here. Maybe in some 'uncontacted' part of the world, you can. But I'm part of the 'contacted' world, where that kind of thing is quite off limits, I had thought

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We've got Uber

That can easily cost more than a car if you have to rely on it, and it's unreliable in many places.

 

[We Never Know]

My daughter pays $3500/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in NYC. And she says it’s a good deal.
She’s moving to NJ to buy a house for….uh….a lot.
I’d make different choices.

Yeah rent there is crazy high. I remember reading several years back renting some place there was like $7 per square foot(something like that).