Restaurants now charging 30 dollars for a regular size pizza in NY.

[Shadow Wolf]

And things really don’t work the way socialists think.
Now that trade is out of the way, let’s proceed….
How many people have bad jobs from which it’s impossible to advance or leave?

For those with autism, ADHD and some other mental conditions the number is at about 70% with those are struggling overall with employment.
Leaving is not always an option. And advancement is not always possible. Plenty of research even shows this isn't even always based on skills (just read a recent study that suggests married workers are more likely than single workers to get promotions).

 

[Revoltingest]

For those with autism, ADHD and some other mental conditions the number is at about 70% with those are struggling overall with employment.
Leaving is not always an option. And advancement is not always possible. Plenty of research even shows this isn't even always based on skills (just read a recent study that suggests married workers are more likely than single workers to get promotions).

If we’re dealing with people who have problems working at all, that’s another kettle of fish. For such handicapped folk, government assistance is appropriate. I addressed only the usual functioning adult…& thought that was understood. For them, if they feel trapped in a job, it’s a trap of their own making.
You’ve cited no such research from the claimed plentitude.

 

[Debater Slayer]

That’s the funniest excuse yet.

I don't think you'll see where others are coming from as long as you frame this in terms of "excuses," "success," and "advancing." Many people just don't care about earning six figures or working for a Fortune 500 company. They just want to live. That's it. No high credit score. No fancy car. Just a livable pay and decent acommodation for the fact that they're humans.

Many countries already have a reasonable life-work balance where people get a good number of vacation days, do their jobs in a satisfactory manner, and don't slack off or work too much. It's not some radical concept or novel idea; it's just something more countries could learn to adopt.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think you'll see where others are coming from as long as you frame this in terms of "excuses," "success," and "advancing." Many people just don't care about earning six figures or working for a Fortune 500 company. They just want to live. That's it. No high credit score. No fancy car. Just a livable pay and decent acommodation for the fact that they're humans.

Many countries already have a reasonable life-work balance where people get a good number of vacation days, do their jobs in a satisfactory manner, and don't slack off or work too much. It's not some radical concept or novel idea; it's just something more countries could learn to adopt.

You’re straying from the claim of being unable to advance or switch jobs at all. Those are new issues.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You’re straying from the claim of being unable to advance or switch jobs at all. Those are new issues.

Evidence has been provided of that. Or is it not "interesting" enough for you?

 

[Debater Slayer]

You’re straying from the claim of being unable to advance or switch jobs at all.

I'm not sure what kind of evidence you want for such a variable thing. The reasons differ from person to person.

I guess this might be relevant:

Yet, while 83% of respondents say they are ready to make a change, 76% are facing major obstacles. The biggest obstacles include financial instability (22%), not knowing what career change makes sense for them (20%), not feeling confident enough to make a change (20%) and seeing no growth opportunities internally (20%).

Going into 2022, professional development is top of mind with many willing to give up key benefits such as vacation time (52%), monetary bonuses (51%), and even part of their salaries (43%) for more career opportunities.

At the same time, however, 85% of the global workforce reported not feeling satisfied with their employers’ support. They are looking for organizations to provide more learning and skills development (34%), money (31%) and opportunities for new roles within their companies (30%).

Report: People feel stuck professionally and personally

 

[Revoltingest]

Evidence has been provided of that. Or is it not "interesting" enough for you?

I’ve not seen anything yet.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not sure what kind of evidence you want for such a variable thing. The reasons differ from person to person.

I guess this might be relevant:



Report: People feel stuck professionally and personally

This shows that it’s still about the employee’s choices. Yes, some choices have the difficulties cited, but they’re still possible. I don’t accept “feeling stuck” as being stuck due to impossible external constraints.

I wonder if any poster here on RF is in a job they can’t possibly leave?

 

[Debater Slayer]

This shows that it’s still about the employee’s choices. Yes, some choices have the difficulties cited, but they’re still possible. I don’t accept “feeling stuck” as being stuck due to impossible external constraints.

"Impossible" is a strong word, but there are just too many variables involved to judge all cases as solvable with a job change.

I have nothing more to add on this tangent, but I'm still looking forward to your response to this:

Let's recap a bit:

- You posted about "victim mentality." It seemed you were including my posts in that. Were you?

- Then you mentioned employees who are "languishing in bad jobs and not working to advance." Again, how is this related to my position?

 

[Alien826]

Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but having spent the last 30+ years in management, I've seen a steady decline in work ethic from generation to generation.

That doesn't surprise me, and in fact I predicted it. (No comment on your own management style @SalixIncendium, I'm talking generally).

In the early 1980s I came to the USA from England on an 18 month contract to work on an IT project. There were about 50 of us, and we worked side by side with the American staff. We were expected to work long hours, often 70 hour weeks. We were paid on an hourly basis so I was able to save a lot of money, but the American staff were just paid for a 40 hour week. It amazed me that they put up with it, but conversations with them revealed that they had a very strong work ethic and though they grumbled a bit generally supported the system that was exploiting them. By contrast we Brits believed in a fair day's work for a fair day's pay but were quite sensitive to situations where that boundary was overstepped. In short we wouldn't have put up with being treated as the Americans were for ten minutes.

I felt at the time that American companies had this amazing asset in the willingness of their staff to be exploited, and they were milking it for all it was worth, but that eventually the workers would wake up to it and that asset would be gone. It seems I was right.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I’ve not seen anything yet.

Of course you haven't. Well in one last effort that you can descend the Ivory Tower to review how we lowly employees live, moving jobs is not at all feasible.

"The millions of Americans in low-wage jobs are likely to stay there. Workers who make $10 to $15 an hour have a 52% chance of remaining in that wage bracket when they switch jobs.

For middle-wage workers, or those earning $19 to $24 an hour, there’s a 46% chance that a job transition would result in lower pay. That’s bad news for the nearly 3.5 million workers who quit their jobs in September alone."

And this doesn't even touch on the laughability of any sort of savings with the increased cost of living, nor the necessity of timing and pre-planning to avoid a gap in wages. That is, if one even gets another job if the illustrious and benevolent employer deigns to respond to an application.

 

[Kathryn]

It was just a random example of how base pay is important for the context, although I don't know whether $13/hour is a livable wage or not in most states. I can't comment on that.

Most people making that aren't skilled and probably aren't supporting themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Impossible" is a strong word, but there are just too many variables involved to judge all cases as solvable with a job change.

I have nothing more to add on this tangent, but I'm still looking forward to your response to this:

Did I say it relates to your position?
What was the post?

 

[Revoltingest]

Response to #151.
Quote dint work, @The Kilted Heathen .

That doesn’t support the claim they can’t move.
Only that they are less likely to.
Ivory tower, eh.
Sanctimonious newbies sure do make presumptions.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Did I say it relates to your position?
What was the post?

I asked you whether you were saying it related to my position following this exchange:

Employees should consider that perhaps their languishing in bad jobs at low pay isn’t the employer’s fault. If they neither strive to advance nor seek greener pastures, they’re where they belong.
No one should wait for others to hand them success.

I have a degree in a high-demand field and am considering a master's. Where's the languishing?

Loaded question, eh…..are you really one of those in a bad job with poor pay, and not working to advance?

I'm not, hence my question. Do you think I must be in such a situation to agree that many companies could improve working conditions or pay?

 

[Revoltingest]

I asked you whether you were saying it related to my position following this exchange:

You and I don’t communicate well together.
I don’t know if this answers your question.
I wasn’t speaking of you.
Moreover, I see that you’re advancing your education and career….not languishing.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Whe staff have to rely on tips to make a living,, 30$ for a pizza seems excessive.
Restaurants do not even pay their staff living wages, un like other businesses.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Paving farmland is insane

Part of the issue as well, might be a rise in fertilizer cost, which in turn would probably raise the price of a pizza. Fertilizer, was apparently produced at a high scale by russia, likely sold less globally at this time due to sanctions. I think another issue is, is that I suspect america is not the biggest wheat producer, comparing to things like corn and soybeans. And also that we consolidate a lot of our yield, probably, into producing beef, which if I recall, is not the most efficient way to scale up protein yield, via conversion of crops

 

[PureX]

I don't think you'll see where others are coming from as long as you frame this in terms of "excuses," "success," and "advancing." Many people just don't care about earning six figures or working for a Fortune 500 company. They just want to live. That's it. No high credit score. No fancy car. Just a livable pay and decent acommodation for the fact that they're humans.

Many countries already have a reasonable life-work balance where people get a good number of vacation days, do their jobs in a satisfactory manner, and don't slack off or work too much. It's not some radical concept or novel idea; it's just something more countries could learn to adopt.

But this contradicts the capitalist agenda: gaining maximum return on capital invested. Paying for labor cuts into that return. So the labor must be exploited as much as possible, by whatever means available, and by whatever reasoning one can invent. And whenever possible, blame labor for that exploitation, so they won't blame it on the innate greed of the capitalist agenda.

 

[Revoltingest]

But this contradicts the capitalist agenda: gaining maximum return on capital invested. Paying for labor cuts into that return. So the labor must be exploited as much as possible, by whatever means available, and by whatever reasoning one can invent. And whenever possible, blame labor for that exploitation, so they won't blame it on the innate greed of the capitalist agenda.

I’ll take capitalist greed over your socialist fascism any day.