More proof the right wing is essentially comprised of closet fascists

[Twilight Hue]

Define fascism please.

I'm still waiting for a posting of an open Republican yelling "FASCISM WINS" to appear.

Like certain other Democrats already posted even in thus thread that is yelling "SOCIALISM WINS"!

You know, since the accusations of fascism with Republicans seem to come without its paeticular advocates , unlike other parties have already ..ahem.. cough....

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm still waiting for a posting of an open Republican yelling "FASCISM WINS" to appear.

Like certain other Democrats already posted even in thus thread that is yelling "SOCIALISM WINS"!

You know, since the accusations of fascism with Republicans seem to come without its paeticular advocates , unlike other parties have already ..ahem.. cough....

There are a few open socialists here on RF. They tend to be rather honest. But sadly there are some not so closeted fascists here too. They simply are too afraid to admit that. I would rather deal with an open and honest socialist than a closet fascist.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. It is not. An insurrection is an attempt to replace a government. Those protesters were violent. They were breaking the law. They need to be punished. But they were not attempting to replace the government. An insurrection is an even higher crime than what those people were committing.

I still want to know how in the world they could ever remotely achieve that objective by simply entering the capital with a bunch of yippity yahoos and yehawws creating what is essentially the equivalent of a good bar room brawl on the weekend.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you know what civil authority is?

insurrection; an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Definition of INSURRECTION

Yep. I can accept it as an insurrection.

Certainly not a coup.

It's quite hilarious when people call it an attempted coup.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are a few open socialists here on RF. They tend to be rather honest. But sadly there are some not so closeted fascists here too. They simply are too afraid to admit that. I would rather deal with an open and honest socialist than a closet fascist.

I'll even give you some debating ammo by which I did see a Confederate advocate or two during the insurrection. But of course it wasn't a politician calling for Dixieland' s return that im aware of, which I would accept as well of course with proper documentation as a substitute for various fascism accusations directed at Republicans.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll even give you some debating ammo by which I did see a Confederate advocate or two during the insurrection. But of course it wasn't a politician calling for Dixieland' s return that im aware of, which I would accept as well of course with proper documentation as a substitute for various fascism accusations directed at Republicans.

The odd thing is that by your standards most Republicans are "fascists". That is because you abuse the socialist label so much that the opposite should be allowed for what you would consider fascist or not. If you ever accused mainstream Democrats of being socialists then by that standard mainstream Republicans would be fascist. The right wing has unfortunately largely abandoned the middle. If the economy picks up, and it is looking as if it is, then they could be in a world of hurt in 2024. Most voters have very short memories. They do no remember what caused the problems, they only look at who is in charge right now. Ease up some of the pressure of the bad economy a bit and people will see the Republican party for what it is.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You know, since the accusations of fascism with Republicans seem to come without its paeticular advocates , unlike other parties have already ..ahem.. cough....

If Republicans don't like the shoes, maybe they should stop hitting every single one of the characteristics of fascism.

As well, I'd be so very interested to see any rational argument as to why Socialism is bad.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If Republicans don't like the shoes, maybe they should stop hitting every single one of the characteristics of fascism.

As well, I'd be so very interested to see any rational argument as to why Socialism is bad.

China , the former USSR for starters. The rational argument speaks for itself as well as Marx saying communism is the "higher form" of socialism.

Unless of course you happen to think Marx is entirely wrong as to what socialism is himself.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

China , the former USSR for starters.

Those are not arguments, those are the typical lazy cop-outs. I want to see an argument against Socialism, especially since we (America) still have a few socialist programs tenuously holding on.

 

[Revoltingest]

And "Believing that the other side is worse" does not make it true.

It is indeed true that they believe it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

China , the former USSR for starters. The rational argument speaks for itself as well as Marx saying communism is the "higher form" of socialism.

Unless of course you happen to think Marx is entirely wrong as to what socialism is himself.

According to Marx, the USSR and China would not have been considered socialist.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

"Insurrection" is a huge exaggeration.
Compared to some of the leftist mobs that tore up cities that same year, this recorded about on the level of a high school prank.

"huge exaggeration"
"leftist mobs that tore up cities"

Hilarious.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I'm still waiting for a posting of an open Republican yelling "FASCISM WINS" to appear.

Like certain other Democrats already posted even in thus thread that is yelling "SOCIALISM WINS"!

Because fascism is bad and socialism is good.

So, what's the problem?

 

[Revoltingest]

There are a few open socialists here on RF. They tend to be rather honest. But sadly there are some not so closeted fascists here too. They simply are too afraid to admit that. I would rather deal with an open and honest socialist than a closet fascist.

It's not an either-or situation.
Socialism tends towards fascism.
After all...socialism is economic fascism, ie,
government controls all. Leaders cannot
resist using the tremendous authority to
also curb social & political liberty. This has
happened every time a country lost capitalism.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's not an either-or situation.
Socialism tends towards fascism.
After all...socialism is economic fascism, ie,
government controls all. Leaders cannot
resist using the tremendous authority to
also curb social & political liberty. This has
happened every time a country lost capitalism.

I'm not going to bother correcting you again...

Needless to say, the above is about 80% false.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not going to bother correcting you again...

Needless to say, the above is about 80% false.

Bless your heart.
It saves me time when there's no
deluded propaganda to respond to.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Bless your heart.
It saves me time when there's no
deluded propaganda to respond to.

Same.

For the record, the part that's not outright false is this part: "Leaders cannot resist using the tremendous authority to also curb social & political liberty."

 

[Aštra’el]

I hold many views that might be considered “fascist”. I have never denied that. However… I am proud of my country as it is. I am completely down with America remaining a Democratic Republic, because I love this land as it is, and because is precious to me, in all its aspects.

There is no country I would rather live in more than the United States of America.

 

[Revoltingest]

Same.

For the record, the part that's not outright false is this part: "Leaders cannot resist using the tremendous authority to also curb social & political liberty."

Does this mean that you claim there really
are/were socialist (ie, no capitalism) countries
who weren't miserably authoritarian?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Does this mean that you claim there really
are/were socialist (ie, no capitalism) countries
who weren't miserably authoritarian?

No, it means I agree that often once the mechanisms of power and authority are seized, they often cannot resist using them to curb people's freedoms.