Texas may enact capital punishment for sex offenders

[Mathematician]

http://reporter-news.com/abil/nw_state/article/0,1874,ABIL_7974_5492572,00.html

AUSTIN - Backers of a Senate bill to toughen punishment for child-sex offenders said they've reached a deal that would permit the death penalty for offenders who repeatedly prey on children.

The compromise bill, which was distributed to Senate members on Tuesday, would allow the death penalty only for those twice convicted of raping a child 13 or younger. It also boosts mandatory minimum sentences for a variety of sex crimes against children.

The real culture of death continues to infest our prison system: capital punishment.

 

[Comprehend]

Good for Texas. I wouldn't mind if they just locked them up for life though. I am against allowing sicko's to repeatedly molest and rape children... do you think they should go back into society as repeat offenders?

Maybe you would change your mind after some dirt bag rapes your baby girl and buries her alive like Jessica Lunsford....

PS. I don't mean to follow you around and disagree with all of your threads but you start such controversial topics I have to comment... ( I still love ya though GC...)

 

[Aqualung]

The state should never have the power to take the life of one of its citizens. Put them in prison, sure, but not kill them. That's too much power invested in government if they have the right to determine life or death.

 

[Comprehend]

The state should never have the power to take the life of one of its citizens. Put them in prison, sure, but not kill them. That's too much power invested in government if they have the right to determine life or death.

see: social contract.

 

[Aqualung]

see: social contract.

see: constitution of the united states of america.

 

[Comprehend]

see: constitution of the united states of america.

where does it say that the death penalty is not allowed in the constitution?

 

[Aqualung]

where does it say that the death penalty is not allowed in the constitution?

That's not important right now. I was merely postulating that we are not under some mutable "social contract", but rather the actions of the government must be checked by the constitution. A social contract allows mobocracy - a federal constitution limits that. Once you agree to the terms of the debate, we can go from there. If you don't agree, we have nothing to argue, since arguing from two seperate points is fruitless and, I must say, not very enjoyable at all. And, I don't agree to the idea that we are under a social contract as you (presumably) argue. So, we can either agree, or we can debate along seperate lines and with seperate people. If that makes sense at all.

 

[Mathematician]

Good for Texas. I wouldn't mind if they just locked them up for life though. I am against allowing sicko's to repeatedly molest and rape children... do you think they should go back into society as repeat offenders?

I believe in keeping repeat offenders locked up for life.

PS. I don't mean to follow you around and disagree with all of your threads but you start such controversial topics I have to comment... ( I still love ya though GC...)

No hard feelings.

 

[painted wolf]

because Texas decided that they don't kill enough of their citizens already?
I wonder if they will get better evidence for these cases than they do the regular state sanctioned killings they perform. Who am I kidding, of cource not.

wa:do

 

[Comprehend]

That's not important right now. I was merely postulating that we are not under some mutable "social contract", but rather the actions of the government must be checked by the constitution. A social contract allows mobocracy - a federal constitution limits that. Once you agree to the terms of the debate, we can go from there. If you don't agree, we have nothing to argue, since arguing from two seperate points is fruitless and, I must say, not very enjoyable at all. And, I don't agree to the idea that we are under a social contract as you (presumably) argue. So, we can either agree, or we can debate along seperate lines and with seperate people. If that makes sense at all.

I think we are missing something of each other's argument.

I certainly agree that the constitution is the law of the land... that being said, the constitution allows for the death penalty as it has been interpreted by the Supreme court... so where is the debate?

I only mentioned the social contract as the basis for legitimizing the constitution in the first place. I don't see how you could argue that the constitution doesn't allow for the death penalty...

 

[UnityNow101]

I feel no sympathy for someone that preys on an innocent child. I will not shed any tears for those that take a child and abuse them sexually. Of course, life in prison is fine as well. But if it takes the death penalty to keep them from doing this to the innocent children, then I am all for it.

 

[des]

I think Texas hasn't been executing enough prisoners, so they had
to add more eligible bodies. Though, the US is the only Western democracy that has capital punishment. After South Africa eliminated apartheid they got rid of
capital punishment. So this all says something. We have about the highest rates
of capital punishment in the world in fact. I think second to China or something.
Nice company.

However, many states have legal moratoriums (Illinois started this after 16 people
on death row were found innocent of the crimes they committed.)
There are other states with actual moratoriums where they haven't actually done an execution for many years (sometimes as high as 20).

Despite what people think, the death penalty is very expensive. It is actually cheaper to throw away the key. I agree with legal adults (not kids charged as adults) committing repeat (one time repeat) offenses to throw away the key. There are juveniles that do commit child sex offenses that are redeemable though. For others I think the treatment rate is as close to zero as it can be. I don't think there is any possibility that a person with "no possibility for parole" has any reasonable possibility of committing this crime again. I think this comes about as a confusion with people who are placed in prison and just get furloughed very quickly. These aren't people who are placed there "with no possibility of parole".


--des

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I feel no sympathy for such people. Personally, I feel death is too good for someone who has potentially ruined the lives of even just one kid.

Personally, I like the Hatebreed song "A Call for Blood" which is about issues such as rape and child molestors.

 

[cardero]

Des writes: Despite what people think, the death penalty is very expensive. It is actually cheaper to throw away the key.

Unless there are some costs that I am missing it’s been explained to me (I may be mistaken) that it costs tax payers $22,000 a year to keep a man in jail. How much can it cost an executioner to man a power switch and for the juice to electrify a chair? A butcher knife cost $2.39 at Walmart and I am sure there are plenty of killers you can employ already serving jail time who would work for minimum wage.

Actually this method of capital punishment seems a bit extreme for sex offenders. Whatever happened to the good ol’ days where “if a part of your body offends thee, cut it off”? This might not make him any more or less than a man but it is a practical start to put him on the road to recovery from sex offender.

 

[NZAmish]

My approach would be to beat the crap out them(sex offenders) first.
Then hang em.

 

[Mike182]

i have never supported the death penalty, and never will - it is sick.

 

[Mathematician]

Unless there are some costs that I am missing it’s been explained to me (I may be mistaken) that it costs tax payers $22,000 a year to keep a man in jail. How much can it cost an executioner to man a power switch and for the juice to electrify a chair? A butcher knife cost $2.39 at Walmart and I am sure there are plenty of killers you can employ already serving jail time who would work for minimum wage.

Actually this method of capital punishment seems a bit extreme for sex offenders. Whatever happened to the good ol’ days where “if a part of your body offends thee, cut it off”? This might not make him any more or less than a man but it is a practical start to put him on the road to recovery from sex offender.

http://www.wsba.org/lawyers/groups/committeeonpublicdefense.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html

Court and appeal costs add up to more than life in prison.

 

[Jaymes]

I can't say I expect any more of Texas. As though a murder of revenge is somehow not either of those when the state carries it out... bah.

 

[Ciscokid]

http://www.wsba.org/lawyers/groups/committeeonpublicdefense.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html

Court and appeal costs add up to more than life in prison.

That's the problem with the death penalty, fry the ******* and get it over with, no more appealing forever and ever.

 

[Ðanisty]

Heh...I find it amusing that so many people are against this yet when we talk about sex offenders, everyone wants to feed them to the lions.