COVID killed twice as many republicans as it did democrats.

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, my health has no political bent.
What I observe has nothing to do with politics. Politicians on both sides have lied to us.

People in my immediate and extended family, vaxxed and unvaccinated have had covid. The ones that were vaccinated didn't have an easier time of it. But of course it's better to deny what the common people experience and believe your appointed leaders, bury your head in the sand and enjoy your ignorance!

I see that you still do not understand statistics.

 

[metis]

Some people will continue to deny the obvious, even though they know that thousands are suffering and dying from the very thing that is supposed to protect them.

As of Aug. 27, 2021, nearly three million injury symptoms have been recorded in VAERS, along with 76,160 emergency room visits, 56,912 hospitalizations, 18,098 permanent disabilities, 14,327 life-threatening events, and 13,911 deaths.

Quit pretending there's no problem.

All the CDC has to do is refuse to test the data and it remains "unverified". Which doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

This analysis provides evidence that vaccinating children and adolescents is highly effective in preventing severe COVID-19 related complications, including MIS-C, and highlights the importance of vaccination among all eligible children-- CDC COVID Data Tracker: Vaccine Effectiveness

Best to go by the science, not the politicians, and there's more data on the above link.

Also, more up to date stats can be found on this link: Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

 

[SkepticThinker]

Some people will continue to deny the obvious, even though they know that thousands are suffering and dying from the very thing that is supposed to protect them.

As of Aug. 27, 2021, nearly three million injury symptoms have been recorded in VAERS, along with 76,160 emergency room visits, 56,912 hospitalizations, 18,098 permanent disabilities, 14,327 life-threatening events, and 13,911 deaths.

Quit pretending there's no problem.

All the CDC has to do is refuse to test the data and it remains "unverified". Which doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

Why are you still quoting from unverified data?

Remember when I told you that a physician once tested the system by reporting that an influenza vaccine had caused him to turn into the Incredible Hulk and received a payout for it? You should.

Quit pretending like your're citing verified data. Read the darn disclaimer that's on the very site you're getting this information from. The very source itself is telling you not to quote from it for Pete's sake.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You clearly don't care about people.
You would rather believe that the official sources would never conceal the truth, despite the fact that it happens constantly. Lies from the official sources have become the new normal. The internet thrives on lies.
Yet when the common people say what they have experienced you choose to believe the liars who have everything to lose if they are made to look bad, as opposed to the people losing sons and daughters and grandparents and parents.

What source is "concealing the truth" and what is that "truth?" You can't be citing VAERS here, because that's available to all, as you keep demonstrating.

I know a lady who thinks eating from a particular chicken restaurant caused her appendix to burst. So, do we believe any random thing any random person has to say, or should we look to some actual verified data instead? What do you think? Does chicken dinner cause appendicitis?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Have you noticed that nearly everything we were told about covid in the beginning has turned out to be false?

No.

From the idea that masks would protect us,

They do. Many, many actual studies confirm this. With verified data and everything.

to the vaccine will stop you from getting covid,

It helps the body fight COVID faster, thus reducing transmission.

to it will stop you from getting a severe case, to it will at least stop you from dying, all have proven to be wrong.

This has been confirmed many times over. Now that the vast majority have been vaccinated, don't you think it's interesting how we don't see hospital emergency rooms overflowing with patients on ventilators? Oh, you missed that?

Now, the only thing left to protect is that the vaccine at least will not do you any harm, but that's not true either.

This has not been demonstrated.

Don't you feel like you have been played for a fool?

Sounds like projection.

The amazing thing is how many people still want to deny the truth. Of course these probably are the same people that shrugged at the president's son being a crackhead pedophile.
There's a large segment of the population that don't actually want to know the truth. They just want their Netflix and video games and world of illusion. The real world is too scary for them, I suppose.

Yes, it is amazing. So much science to look at but still we have people denying it in favour of unverified "reports."

I don't call people with drug addictions "crack heads." Maybe that's your jam, but I see them as people who need help. Which is my jam.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, my health has no political bent.
What I observe has nothing to do with politics. Politicians on both sides have lied to us.

People in my immediate and extended family, vaxxed and unvaccinated have had covid. The ones that were vaccinated didn't have an easier time of it. But of course it's better to deny what the common people experience and believe your appointed leaders, bury your head in the sand and enjoy your ignorance!

What you've just told us here (and in other posts) is that you're choosing anecdotes over actual demonstrable evidence.
Sorry to tell you, but that kind of thinking is what results in ignorance.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I see that you still do not understand statistics.

90 percent of statistics are manufactured on the spot.

 

[Wildswanderer]

This analysis provides evidence that vaccinating children and adolescents is highly effective in preventing severe COVID-19 related complications, including MIS-C, and highlights the importance of vaccination among all eligible children-- CDC COVID Data Tracker: Vaccine Effectiveness

Best to go by the science, not the politicians, and there's more data on the above link.

Also, more up to date stats can be found on this link: Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines | CDC

Lol, getting your stats from the people who refused to release the data. Ok?

 

[SkepticThinker]

90 percent of statistics are manufactured on the spot.

Says the guy who doesn't understand statistics.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, getting your stats from the people who refused to release the data. Ok?

What data? The unverified VAERS reports? What are you talking about?

 

[Subduction Zone]

90 percent of statistics are manufactured on the spot.

Yours are. But VAERS is not. The problem is that you still do not understand how to use those statistics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, getting your stats from the people who refused to release the data. Ok?

I have not seen any support for that claim. And I went looking for it.

What reliable source will tell you that VAERS was kept private?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I have not seen any support for that claim. And I went looking for it.

What reliable source will tell you that VAERS was kept private?

Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.

This rationale for deliberately hiding government-collected effectiveness data was even confirmed by the CDC’s spokeswoman, Kristen Nordlund. This taxpayer-funded agency didn’t want to give taxpayers the full picture of vaccine effectiveness—for their own good.

CDC Tells New York Times It Hid Covid Data For Political Reasons - Ethics & Public Policy Center

 

[Wildswanderer]

What data? The unverified VAERS reports? What are you talking about?

Pay attention, Bill.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Pay attention, Bill.

This was my third time asking you.

Still waiting for you to respond to the fact that you keep posting unverified reports as though they were verified data. So yeah, I can see why you want to move on from that, Bill.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.

This rationale for deliberately hiding government-collected effectiveness data was even confirmed by the CDC’s spokeswoman, Kristen Nordlund. This taxpayer-funded agency didn’t want to give taxpayers the full picture of vaccine effectiveness—for their own good.

CDC Tells New York Times It Hid Covid Data For Political Reasons - Ethics & Public Policy Center

I asked for a reliable source. This one does not appear to be reliable. They openly admit that they try to bring religion into an area where it does not apply.

Please find something that is not so fringe if you want to be taken seriously.

Even you appear to know how fringe they are . You did not quote any of their specific claims or show how they apply.

Try again.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.

This rationale for deliberately hiding government-collected effectiveness data was even confirmed by the CDC’s spokeswoman, Kristen Nordlund. This taxpayer-funded agency didn’t want to give taxpayers the full picture of vaccine effectiveness—for their own good.
CDC Tells New York Times It Hid Covid Data For Political Reasons - Ethics & Public Policy Center

Um, where?

According to the NYT article yours was citing, what she said was:

"Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.” She said the agency’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”

Then the article goes on to explain that there is a lot of bureaucratic red tape involved in signing off on important publications.

So where did you come up with the idea that they were deliberately "hiding" anything "for their own good?"

 

[metis]

Lol, getting your stats from the people who refused to release the data. Ok?

LOL, at least I'm dealing with teams of scientists that have been and continue to study the virus and the vaccines, versus the politicized sources that virtually have just opinions and cherry pick the data or just make things up. The CDC draws from many different scientific sources, so can we say the same for you and your sources?

Maybe if you actually studied by trying to use traditionally sound scientific sources you'd be able to put forth a coherent position that makes some sense, but until then, ...

 

[Wildswanderer]

I asked for a reliable source. This one does not appear to be reliable. They openly admit that they try to bring religion into an area where it does not apply.

Please find something that is not so fringe if you want to be taken seriously.

Even you appear to know how fringe they are . You did not quote any of their specific claims or show how they apply.

Try again.

From someone who considers the CDC a reliable source... even though they have been wrong about everything to do with covid.

 

[Subduction Zone]

From someone who considers the CDC a reliable source... even though they have been wrong about everything to do with covid.

What were they wrong about? We can't help it if simple English is beyond your abilities to understand.

Once again, reliable sources only please.