Here come the thought police...
I don't like where this is headed. Sure, there's some opinions that I don't want to hear, but I think that our First Ammendment rights are way more important than anyone's feelings.
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Should Don Imus be fired?
- Thread starter Kungfuzed
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Here come the thought police...
I don't like where this is headed. Sure, there's some opinions that I don't want to hear, but I think that our First Ammendment rights are way more important than anyone's feelings.
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Majikthise
Guest
Why is expressing your opinions considered hostility?
There may be a small number of people other than white males who suffer Imus's fate, but I am not aware of them.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
This assumption that I am anti-First Amendment is not only wrong but insulting. Imus has the right to say whatever he wants for the rest of his life, but NBC/CBS are not bound to keep him on. Why are you debating with someone who agrees with you?
Go to work Monday and call one of your coworkers a "nappyheaded ho." You'll find the constitution does not protect your job.
I already did when I was talking with my co-workers about how moronic this entire situation is. I hear things much worse than that in just about any rap/hip hop song. I'm not saying that MSNBC or CBS had to keep him as an employee, but you appear to be advocating a "witch hunt" to police people's speech and thoughts. I don't agree with that.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
If by witch hunt you mean complaining until every bigot is off television, then yes, I guess I am conducting a witch hunt. That doesn't infringe on any right; in fact, I am using the free market approach.
Imus can go about spouting his trash where people will tolerate it.
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
We have lost our ability to put things into context. It was a comedy part of the show and Don Imus was really just taking the lead from Sid Rosenthal. What he said was wrong but blown way out of proportion and has not been put in its proper context. People need to calm down. If what one man says has the ability to put you in a bad mood then it is you that have the problem. Calm down everyone! The world shall go on. And by the way, who says that nappy-headed was a racial comment? I know plenty of white people that are quite nappy-headed.
And how are you going to define bigot - anyone who doesn't agree with your world view and position? So, if someone disagrees with gay marriage and expresses their opinion, do they fall into your category of bigot? Should they be thrown off the air?
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Seems this has been circulated in the net quite often and fits nicely to what I was pondering when I noticed this blowing up.
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In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
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http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
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In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
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http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
I did not think I was being hostile.
I am frustrated when I am called on the carpet for not answering certain posts. I have tried to do much better about this, and understand the importance of this.
If you detect an attitude, it is because most Liberals think their always right and faced with an issue of obvious hypocrisy, they ignore the questions and run away.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
I don't consider people who oppose gay marriage bigots (after all, some individuals are proponents of universal civil unions
), but even if I did feel that way, it would not matter what one person thought. I'm not asking the government to do anything, only for people to voice outrage at racist, sexist, and homophobic comments. Companies will respond to the outrage like they always do. Just because Al Sharpton gets away with his stupid comments doesn't mean we anti-racist, anti-sexists should sit quietly in the face of Imus's remarks.
Free market.
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
Far be it from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to ever saying anything that could be deemed questionable.
I don't consider people who oppose gay marriage bigots (after all, some individuals are proponents of universal civil unions
I'm not asking the government to do anything, only for people to voice outrage. Companies will respond to the outrage like they always do.
Free market.
It is relevant to the discussion because people define a bigot in many different ways. I don't think Imus is a bigot. I think he said something stupid. We all say stupid things. You gotta wonder about Sharpton's motives...he did just get a competitive talk show host off the air.
As for the free market, I think if CBS had actually taken the time to research what the market wanted that you'd fine that the VAST MAJORITY of their market wants Imus to stay on the air. This isn't free market - this is the opposite.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
And how does my want for Imus and Sharpton to be fired go against the first amendment?
This thread indicates people are trying to turn it into a left vs right issue, when it's a dignity versus non-dignity issue. :areyoucra
Companies firing a rogue employee is anti-free market?
I'm not trying to turn this into a left vs. right issue. You are advocating that people be fired and thereby silenced because you don't like what they say. I think this has a lot to do with free speech - especially when radicals like Sharpton are the catylist behind the firings.
In this case I am fairly confident that the market wants Imus still on the air. I listened to people complain about him getting fired all morning on MSNBC. Dumping an established product that is still in demand is anti-free market (and stupid business) in my opinion. They did it because they were scared of losing advertisers, but I'm willing to bet that, if he wants, he'll endup on XM radio with the rest of the banished radio hosts and continue to draw an audience.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
People have been trying to say Imus is a Conservative. You can tell they have never heard his show before. To think that every old white guy is a conservative is profiling at the very least. Take it from a tried and true conservative, Imus is far from a conservative.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
He's on his own then.....:run:
Then what's so special about this current statement if he's been a bigot all along?
Not unless most people understood he had a tendency of joking like this?