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With bafflement upon bafflement!

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Redemptionsong said:
Don't listen to me, listen to the Holy Spirit who inspires scripture. This is the teaching of the Holy Spirit!
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There does not appear to be any such thing.

You are probably only fooling yourself. It happens quite often with religious beliefs, regardless of the religion. People like to think that they have a direct line to God. And that supposed line only confirms that what they want to believe is true.

Do you know what is necessary to take your beliefs from mere belief to knowledge?
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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idea said:
Folks demonstrate lots of things on youtube

Yes, it would have more impact if they all came from the same faith, if there was anything consistent in it all. "Holy Spirit", and speaking in tongues is evidence of mental instability, nothing more. If you have experienced either... it wasn't from god...
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The Bible is very clear that this world is a battleground for the souls of men and women. Satan appears early in scripture, and he does not depart until the very end.

In the meantime, each human soul is susceptible to deception and lies. There are counterfeit powers at work, and God is not ignorant of the need to provide his followers with a shield against evil. If you read 1 Corinthians 12:10, you will see that 'discerning of spirits' is a power given to the true Church.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Subduction Zone said:
There does not appear to be any such thing.

You are probably only fooling yourself. It happens quite often with religious beliefs, regardless of the religion. People like to think that they have a direct line to God. And that supposed line only confirms that what they want to believe is true.

Do you know what is necessary to take your beliefs from mere belief to knowledge?
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Do you know that love is true unity and true knowledge? It can only come about when the spirits of two souls are united as one. To be united with God, one must have the Holy Spirit dwelling within one's heart.

Do you have the Holy Spirit dwelling within your heart?
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Redemptionsong said:
Do you know that love is true unity and true knowledge? It can only come about when the spirits of two souls are united as one. To be united with God, one must have the Holy Spirit dwelling within your heart.

Do you have the Holy Spirit dwelling within your heart?
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It really isn't.

And how can someone have a fictional thing dwelling in one's heart?
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Redemptionsong said:
It's a pity you don't take notice of the scriptures you hold so dear.
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I have seven copies with commentary on the bookshelf behind me, along with a number of texts on relevant Syro-Palestinian archaeology. I delight in weekly Torah study. This has been the case for decades.

Your "pity" is as ignorant as it is condescending -- precisely the traits that facilitate the distortion of Jewish scripture.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Jayhawker Soule said:
I have seven copies with commentary on the bookshelf behind me, along with a number of texts on relevant Syro-Palestinian archaeology. I delight in weekly Torah study. This has been the case for decades.

Your "pity" is as ignorant as it is condescending -- precisely the traits that facilitate the distortion of Jewish scripture.
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Rather than making this personal, let me hear how you answer scripture, and the insults that Isaiah aims at your learning!
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Subduction Zone said:
That appears to be only a belief of yours. How would you know if that was correct?
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If one searches the scriptures, the answers can be found.

I'm not leaning on my own understanding, l'm seeking to know God's will in Christ.

1 John 4:8. 'He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.'
 
RabbiO

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
@dybmh @Jayhawker Soule -
You are trying converse with someone who has repeatedly espoused the position that Jews are spiritually ignorant, spiritually blind, spiritually stupid and their religion ain’t too hot either. If that’s your idea of a good time, enjoy.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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RabbiO said:
@dybmh @Jayhawker Soule -
You are trying converse with someone who has repeatedly espoused the position that Jews are spiritually ignorant, spiritually blind, spiritually stupid and their religion ain’t too hot either. If that’s your idea of a good time, enjoy.
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Once again, it's a tactic of the enemy to make me out to be anti-semitic. I am not.

The statements made about the blindness of the Jews are to be found in the Hebrew scriptures. I've already quoted one such passage from lsaiah. So, if the prophets say that you are spiritually blind, how come you argue so vehemently that you are not?
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Jayhawker Soule said:
I stand corrected. Perhaps the ignore-list is a better option.
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It's easy to ignore me, but not so easy to ignore the scriptures.

Ezekiel 34:1,2. 'And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of lsrael, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the LORD God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of lsrael that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?'
 
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pearl

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Redemptionsong said:
The apostles were in a locked room following the crucifixion
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That is not my understanding of the situation. All the Apostles fled before and after the crucifixion in fear of their own lives. Their leader was gone and for all intents and purposes the movement was dead.
The Apostles returned, still in fear, to fulfill their religious obligation.

Redemptionsong said:
Having stayed up all night in prayer, they received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
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Yes they received the Holy Spirit, symbolized by the 'wind'.

Redemptionsong said:
All these things happened in direct consequence of what is prophesied in the Hebrew scriptures.
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It is a Christian reading, as interpreted from the Septuagint most probably. But we also know that Jewish expectation of a messiah was not to be a divinity.

Redemptionsong said:
What we do know is that this was a time of great Messianic expectation (as stated in the Talmud).
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Yes.
 
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