actually the rate of aborted fertilized eggs is roughly 60+ %
Misjudging early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction
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Who gave you right to be member of LGBT+ and make abortions?
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Misjudging early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction
questfortruth
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How many men has Jesus Christ murdered? Zero.
Viker
Häxan
Because they violated everything, especially human rights and the sanctity of others sovereignty.
Subduction Zone
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Oh boy!! A "So what?" argument. That is an argument that can be refuted even if the claim is true.
Okay, I actually agree with this. Jesus did not murder anyone, And if you are going to use "Christ" as a last name do not forget his middle name.
At any rate, so what?
Viker
Häxan
None. How many followers of Jesus have murdered others imagining they did so in his name?
Subduction Zone
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What so many, and ironically usually on the right, do not understand is that rights come from the government. They are self imposed limitations on government power and that can make them very fragile at times.
How many people have been killed by people who believed that their God gave them the right to kill?
How many people have been enslaved by people who believed their God gave them the right to enslave?
How many people have been oppressed by people who believed their God gave them the right to oppress.
This idea you so confidently express is an extremely dangerous idea.
Father Heathen
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Irrelevant. Millions have been killed in the name of religion.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Thought to be fair, that is not the only reason used to justify that.
God and satan aren’t known to exist, nor are referenced in secular government. So irrelevant outside of some weird church.
Where do humans fit in here?
questfortruth
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There are two gods: Jesus Christ and satan. One God exists, but other does not exist. The satan does not exist, the satan is present. Presence and existence are two different notions. For example, zombie is dead, but is walking.
questfortruth
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Every case must be considered separately. Not all theists are murderess.
So you are saying we need to consider it on a case by case basis? You are saying that in some cases, God did give people the right to kill?
I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this. But you really scare the **** out of me.
questfortruth
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Every murder is being considered by police. So, you have no right to kill any theist. Please, this is task of police system.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Really.
Okay, so how are you going to prove that Satan exists? The self contradictions in the Bible pretty much rule out the existence of a God Jesus.
Subduction Zone
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That is clear. About half of them are male.
I was listening to a talk by the British Historian David Starkey, who actually scoffed at the idea of "rights" at all. It gave me quite a jolt, actually, and I've been thinking about it for a few days now.
It seems to me that whatever "rights" we might have are those that we collectively grant to ourselves, through things like Charters of Rights by governments and other such bodies. And I think we tend to do that (when we have sufficient freedom to choose and control) when we decide what rights we would like for ourselves, and would grant to everyone else at the same time.
But if that is the case, these will change as our societies change. Things that we push under the table will not be on our "Charter of Rights," so of course, matters of non-heterosexual, non-one-man-one-woman, unmarried couldn't make the list in the 18th century, but in light of new knowledge of human nature, can eventually make the grade, as it were.
In fact, Human Rights have really only been "a thing" for about 200 years. The very idea that every human being should have equal legal protection of their basic needs is built on humanist ideas from 18th-century Europe.
But in the end, as I said, our rights are those that we collectively give to ourselves.
questfortruth
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One God exists, but other does not exist. The satan does not exist