Homosexuality and religious.

[loverofhumanity]

So basically what you're saying is, God is ultimately responsible for the law and guidance given by Baha'u'llah? If so, then that just means God is anti-gay and discriminates.

Yes we believe that. God created us so He knows what is best for us.

 

[Vinayaka]

And acrophobes might be hidden skydivers

Scientific American is fairly reputable, I think. But you most likely didn't bother to click on it, much less read it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So, is that why the Baha'i Faith, and God, say that homosexuality is "unnatural"? That what they do with their sexual parts is wrong and against what God intended them for? And God and the Baha'i Faith forbids people from doing it?

But men do have sex with men and women with women. If the behavior doesn't occur "naturally", why is it happening? But does it matter. God wants it to stop. How are his people, the Baha'is, going to stop it?

It is a personal matter between the person and God. It’s not for others to judge or interfere.

 

[We Never Know]

Scientific American is fairly reputable, I think. But you most likely didn't bother to click on it, much less read it.

Read it before. Its been going around for years.

 

[We Never Know]

Scientific American is fairly reputable, I think. But you most likely didn't bother to click on it, much less read it.

Same question in reverse(different sex)...

Women get aroused by watching two women having sex.

Does that make them hidden lesbians?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Lets try this....

John Doe... WNK what do you think about me being gay.
WNK... Well John I disagree with living that life but its your life.

Now if I said "Well John I disagree with living that life, it makes you a bad person, you need to stop be gay and change it.

THAT'S HOMOPHOBIC! Because I not only disagree but also think they should change their life.

I don't know what to tell you, man.
If someone said 'I disagree with living that life,' and you meant 'because I'm straight/don't like gay sex' nobody is going to understand you.

But if you said 'I disagree with living that life' and meant 'because being gay is bad' then yeah, I consider that bigoted. Because saying something is bad implies something intrinsically wrong with it, and that needs justification with reasoning, regardless of whether you would personally try to compel someone into not being gay.

 

[CG Didymus]

Baha’is deeply love Baha’u’llah and trust Him fully so when He states something we know it’s in our best interests. As to those who have not tasted of the joy of knowing Him, of course they are going to naturally be opposed to many things He teaches. In this respect each should go his own way.

Is there a law where Baha'u'llah specifically says that homosexuality is forbidden?

 

[We Never Know]

I don't know what to tell you, man.
If someone said 'I disagree with living that life,' and you meant 'because I'm straight/don't like gay sex' nobody is going to understand you.

But if you said 'I disagree with living that life' and meant 'because being gay is bad' then yeah, I consider that bigoted. Because saying something is bad implies something intrinsically wrong with it, and that needs justification with reasoning, regardless of whether you would personally try to compel someone into not being gay.

I see things like this...

John is religious and Bob is atheist. They disagree with each other but let each other life their own life.
-they disagree but don't try to change each the other

However...
If John tells Bob he disagrees, that he needs to find god or he is going to hell and needs to change his life..
Is John atheophobic?
atheophobic - Wiktionary

Or....

If Bob tells John he disagrees, that he has false beliefs, is uneducated and needs to change his life..
Is Bob religophobic?

religiophobia - Wiktionary.

 

[We Never Know]

So, maybe you approve maybe disapprove, but that doesn't matter?

I'm surprised you don't have an opinion one way or the other. But I have no reason to doubt what you're saying.

Thanks,

What ever life anyone lives is their choice. I can agree or disagree.
It has nothing to do with approval because I feel no need to give my approval or disapproval. Its not my life.

 

[F1fan]

e4dss

Yes and every day I am so, so grateful that I discovered Who Baha’u’llah is. If you only knew.

I know he wrote texts that expressed bigotry, which I find a character flaw. Apart from that maybe he was a great guy. None of us know.

 

[F1fan]

God gave humans freedom of choice.

This is a religious claim, not a factual statement, so it can be dismissed.

It is true that people can make deliberate, reasoned choices, but studies show that much of what we decide happens in our subconscious.

How unconscious forces control our actions

We are completely free to establish peace or destroy ourselves.

It might seem that way, but look around the world and we see many people acting irrationally and making poor choices. There isn't the freedom you think there is.

God sends Messengers offering guidance but we don’t appreciate Them usually killing Them. So what has God done? He sent Baha’u’llah with teachings for world unity and we so far have chosen to have two world wars. So be it. That is our choice. We are never forced to follow God.

These are more religious claims, not factual statements, so we dismiss them. Feel free to provide facts that all your claims are true and factual, or at least acknowledge you have no idea if they are true or not. Feel free to be honest, is what I am asking. Or, just say "I believe...." and then make your religious claims. At least that shows humility and shows you understand the difference between fact and belief.

 

[We Never Know]

This is a religious claim, not a factual statement, so it can be dismissed.

It is true that people can make deliberate, reasoned choices, but studies show that much of what we decide happens in our subconscious.

How unconscious forces control our actions



It might seem that way, but look around the world and we see many people acting irrationally and making poor choices. There isn't the freedom you think there is.


These are more religious claims, not factual statements, so we dismiss them. Feel free to provide facts that all your claims are true and factual, or at least acknowledge you have no idea if they are true or not. Feel free to be honest, is what I am asking. Or, just say "I believe...." and then make your religious claims. At least that shows humility and shows you understand the difference between fact and belief.

Really? I think around 99+% of the religious people here have said their beliefs are about having faith.

Do you understand that?

 

[F1fan]

Yes we believe that. God created us so He knows what is best for us.

So when a child is born with genes that cause cancer it is what's best for the child and family? Explain.

 

[F1fan]

Really? I think around 99+% of the religious people here have said their beliefs are about having faith.

Do you understand that?

You can see that I understand this by the questions I'm asking them.

Do you understand that faith is unreliable?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Is there a law where Baha'u'llah specifically says that homosexuality is forbidden?

Yes in the Most Holy Book.

 

[We Never Know]

You can see that I understand this by the questions I'm asking them.

Do you understand that faith is unreliable?

Do you understand its their faith? When you ask for evidence of their faith, all they have to say is because I believe.

Just started a thread somewhat about this.

 

[ppp]

Did you manage to find a single post of mine calling anyone stupid, or am I owed yet another apology that will never manifest itself?
Happy hunting.

These detractors are just grasping at straws because no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God. These detractors are also so stupid that they do not even realize that they are helping the Baha’is spread the Faith since any true seeker is going to check out their lies, and alas, they discover the truth.

I am sure that religious people of my religion think I should be detached even if they do not say it to me because that is the belief, but I am not detached and I am not going to allow religious people to shame me, which is what they do with their stupid beliefs.

 

[F1fan]

Do you understand its their faith? When you ask for evidence of their faith, all they have to say is because I believe.

And they believe....why? Rational humans make judgments based on evidence. What credible evidence do theists provide that satifies the standard? None. That's on them. When they claim implausible concepts are true and real then they open the door to questions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This is a religious claim, not a factual statement, so it can be dismissed.

It is true that people can make deliberate, reasoned choices, but studies show that much of what we decide happens in our subconscious.

How unconscious forces control our actions



It might seem that way, but look around the world and we see many people acting irrationally and making poor choices. There isn't the freedom you think there is.


These are more religious claims, not factual statements, so we dismiss them. Feel free to provide facts that all your claims are true and factual, or at least acknowledge you have no idea if they are true or not. Feel free to be honest, is what I am asking. Or, just say "I believe...." and then make your religious claims. At least that shows humility and shows you understand the difference between fact and belief.

Of course these are my beliefs. I can only prove to myself from my own research and investigation that that Baha’u’llah is the Promised One foretold and awaited by all the major faiths no one else.

Others have to decide for themselves through their own study.

 

[We Never Know]

And they believe....why? Rational humans make judgments based on evidence. What credible evidence do theists provide that satifies the standard? None. That's on them. When they claim implausible concepts are true and real then they open the door to questions.

"And they believe....why?"

Ask them