Homosexuality and religious.

[KWED]

they do it so people like you can learn to mind their own business.

That makes about the least sense of anything anyone has posted today.
Congratulations!

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, I get it. But if you claim an universal God, you have to owe up to that. No matter how much you hide behind, that it is just your individual belief, because it is not individual, if you claim it is universal.

Yes I believe in God and others do not so I can’t prove God to them only myself. Each person decides for himself and I respect that.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yeah, that is your universal claim. I learned to do God differently than you. Yet you decide for us all, which God there is.

Not at all. I only decide my belief for myself no one else. Others are free to disagree.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes I believe in God and others do not so I can’t prove God to them only myself. Each person decides for himself and I respect that.

No, you don't in effect. Because you still judge others based on your God.

 

[KWED]

That’s fine but you know our views on some topics where we can’t agree I feel it’s best just to accept to agree to disagree because the discussion is going nowhere.

Fine. But if you keep posting, I'll keep responding.

But you are always welcome to share your views.

Thanks, but I wasn't aware that I needed your permission.

 

[loverofhumanity]

No, you don't in effect. Because you still judge others based on your God.

No I do not. I don’t judge others God does. I’m just an ordinary person.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Not at all. I only decide my belief for myself no one else. Others are free to disagree.

So you don't claim that a given act is universal wrong? That is where it ends.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Fine. But if you keep posting, I'll keep responding.

Thanks, but I wasn't aware that I needed your permission.

Lol. I didn’t mean it that way. I was just trying to being welcoming that’s all.

 

[KWED]

The problem as I see it is that I believe my source is an All Knowing God and I trust in His Knowledge because I believe He created us and so knows what’s best for us. But because you don’t accept any All Knowing entity you label my belief as dogma. So who decides what is moral or immoral, right or wrong, good or bad? You? Me? The government? Popular opinion? Which of your sources can you claim to possess perfect knowledge? If you can’t and you cannot, then how can you dogmatically assert your views are correct as they all originate from error prone humans?

My argument is I have ascertained that Baha’u’llah is a Manifestation of God and believe He speaks the truth regardless of whether people accept it or not. As you reject Baha’u’llah there is no point in arguing the point because it will always end in a stalemate so I suggest you go your way and I go mine as the sticking point for you is there is no God and Baha’u’llah was just an ordinary human.

Nice of you to illustrate my point for me.

(my post should have said "dogmatically entrenched", not "dogmatically entranced", although both apply )

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No I do not. I don’t judge others God does. I’m just an ordinary person.

No, because you know what God is for us all.

 

[KWED]

No I do not. I don’t judge others God does. I’m just an ordinary person.

So do you ever disagree with god's judgement?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So you don't claim that a given act is universal wrong? That is where it ends.

I claim nothing. Who am I to claim anything? God is the Judge not me.

 

[loverofhumanity]

No, because you know what God is for us all.

I only know for myself not others. Others follow what they believe to be true. That’s their right to believe what they wish. Just as it is mine to follow the path of my choosing.

 

[King Phenomenon]

When people present and attempt to justify those beliefs on a public debate forum, they are implicitly asking people to get involved in their business.
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp - although a few people on here clearly do have difficulty with it.

keep falling back on its a public forum.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I only know for myself not others. Others follow what they believe to be true. That’s their right to believe what they wish. Just as it is mine to follow the path of my choosing.

Okay, so you can't with God say that a given act is wrong. Do you understand that?

You can say the following: To me it is wrong, but I accept that there could be another God for which is not wrong.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So do you ever disagree with god's judgement?

This is what I believe that should answer your question in Baha’u’llah’s Words.

Blessed is the man that hath acknowledged his belief in God and in His signs, and recognized that “He shall not be asked of His doings.” Such a recognition hath been made by God the ornament of every belief, and its very foundation. Upon it must depend the acceptance of every goodly deed. Fasten your eyes upon it, that haply the whisperings of the rebellious may not cause you to slip.

(Most Holy Book)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I only know for myself not others. Others follow what they believe to be true. That’s their right to believe what they wish. Just as it is mine to follow the path of my choosing.

So you accept that there is in practice more than one God?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Okay, so you can't with God say that a given act is wrong. Do you understand that?

You can say the following: To me it is wrong, but I accept that there could be another God for which is not wrong.

I don’t decide on these matters God does. I fully agree with whatever God decrees because He is God and is All Knowing. I only believe there is one God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is what I believe that should answer your question in Baha’u’llah’s Words.

Blessed is the man that hath acknowledged his belief in God and in His signs, and recognized that “He shall not be asked of His doings.” Such a recognition hath been made by God the ornament of every belief, and its very foundation. Upon it must depend the acceptance of every goodly deed. Fasten your eyes upon it, that haply the whisperings of the rebellious may not cause you to slip.

(Most Holy Book)

Please explain that with different words.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So you accept that there is in practice more than one God?

My belief is that there is only one God.