Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
A resurgence? Did I miss the previous surge?
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Harriet Hageman defeats Liz Cheney in Wyoming primary
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A resurgence? Did I miss the previous surge?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes, she's a lot younger.
exchemist
Veteran Member
I think Liz Cheney's words on what she intends to do now are worth sharing:
On Wednesday, Cheney laid out her priorities for the next few months before leaving the House in January.
Beyond “representing the people of Wyoming”, she said: “We have a tremendous amount of work left to do on the January 6 committee. And also, though, I’m going to be making sure that people all around this country understand the stakes of what we’re facing, understand the extent to which we’ve now got one major political party, my party, which has really become a cult of personality.
“We’ve got to get this party back to a place where we’re embracing the values and the principles on which it was founded. And talking about fundamental issues of civics, fundamental issues of what does it mean to be a constitutional republic.”
Cheney, daughter of former Republican vice-president Dick Cheney, attacked both Trump and the House Republican leader, Kevin McCarthy, the architect of her ousting from the party’s House leadership in May 2021 after she denounced the former president’s false claims of a stolen election. She expressed her belief that “the Republican party today is in very bad shape”.
“Donald Trump has betrayed Republican voters. He’s lied to them. Those who support him have lied to them and and they’re using people’s patriotism against them,” she said.
“They’re preying on people’s patriotism. Kevin McCarthy made his decision a few weeks after January 6, knowing what he knew about Donald Trump’s role in the assault on the Capitol, when he went to Mar-a-Lago and said we’re going to welcome him back into the party. To me, that’s indefensible.
“I believe that Donald Trump continues to pose a very grave threat, a risk to our republic, and I think defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of Republicans, Democrats and independents. That’s what I intend to be a part of.”
I have to say I think this is well expressed and spot-on. The grip that TFG has on the Republican party and its supporters is a real threat to democracy and the rule of law.
(from: Liz Cheney considers run for president after Republican primary defeat )
On Wednesday, Cheney laid out her priorities for the next few months before leaving the House in January.
Beyond “representing the people of Wyoming”, she said: “We have a tremendous amount of work left to do on the January 6 committee. And also, though, I’m going to be making sure that people all around this country understand the stakes of what we’re facing, understand the extent to which we’ve now got one major political party, my party, which has really become a cult of personality.
“We’ve got to get this party back to a place where we’re embracing the values and the principles on which it was founded. And talking about fundamental issues of civics, fundamental issues of what does it mean to be a constitutional republic.”
Cheney, daughter of former Republican vice-president Dick Cheney, attacked both Trump and the House Republican leader, Kevin McCarthy, the architect of her ousting from the party’s House leadership in May 2021 after she denounced the former president’s false claims of a stolen election. She expressed her belief that “the Republican party today is in very bad shape”.
“Donald Trump has betrayed Republican voters. He’s lied to them. Those who support him have lied to them and and they’re using people’s patriotism against them,” she said.
“They’re preying on people’s patriotism. Kevin McCarthy made his decision a few weeks after January 6, knowing what he knew about Donald Trump’s role in the assault on the Capitol, when he went to Mar-a-Lago and said we’re going to welcome him back into the party. To me, that’s indefensible.
“I believe that Donald Trump continues to pose a very grave threat, a risk to our republic, and I think defeating him is going to require a broad and united front of Republicans, Democrats and independents. That’s what I intend to be a part of.”
I have to say I think this is well expressed and spot-on. The grip that TFG has on the Republican party and its supporters is a real threat to democracy and the rule of law.
(from: Liz Cheney considers run for president after Republican primary defeat )
Cheney might have supported a war overseas, but she's not supporting one on US soil like the MAGAs are gearing up to do.
And now Liz says she might run for president. So that would be a even bigger influence over the USA.
Well, maybe not so much in the West, but in other parts of the world, the far-left has gotten a sizable following, mainly due to the excesses, misery, and despair brought about by the capitalist/nationalist right.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Ah, thought you were just referring to the US.
Only in America. Looks who is calling for a civil war, it is MAGAs. Trump supporters have already attacked our government. Of course they are not very smart, so their efforts were just attempted sabotage.
Would you join an attack against the FBI if you saw a bunch of MAGAs with guns attacking them? If not, why not?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Agree. Maybe Liz needs to get out of the business now.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Only if I had my intergalactic invasion army thats still on backorder.
It's hard being a wannabe upstart dictator..
exchemist
Veteran Member
That's the way you lose democracy. She should stay in it and fight her corner.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We have been losing our democracy no matter who or what party is in charge.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, lies are far more important than truth.
I'm not sure by what metric stealing elections or supporting a coup attempt is much more of a problem than voting for a war where half a million people were killed. There is neither honor nor integrity in that; those who are complicit in war crimes and mass murder are far from honorable.
Do you not see these assertions as devaluing the lives of the Iraqis who were killed in the war?
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She was part of Bush's administration and their dangerous cult-like beliefs on war. I see no substantial difference.
Praise and support for Bush and Cheney concern me just as much, if not more. For all of his faults, Trump didn't start two wars. There is no measure by which Bush and Cheney are any better.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Yep. I don't think we should mess so much with other countries, but at least we should put the last first, as Jesus asked us to do.
Maybe Trump needs to get out of the business now.
And what is the takeaway from that supposed to be? Is supporting a war overseas and contributing to 500,000 deaths less of a problem because it happened outside the U.S.? I thought liberalism was supposed to prioritize human life over political and national identity.
I wish her as much failure in that endeavor as she has had in the midterms. I suspect that will end up being the case, too, because she's not aligned enough with mainstream Republican preferences and not appealing to liberal voters compared to Democratic candidates. She has no hold on either major voting base.
Nor any domestic ones. Meanwhile the Democrats encouraged civil unrest in cities across the nation.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Agree.
That is really funny. You probably didn’t intend it to be, but it is.