Kansas votes to allow abortion access

[Revoltingest]

I’m not sure what that has to do with this ballot question. Not being a Christian I have no problem if Christianity is losing ground. But then again, I don’t think heathenism is the way of the future.

You addressed circumstances surrounding the vote,
& what the future portends. I followed up on that.
Anti-abortion sentiments strongly correlate with
Christianity in USA. Its decline will affect politics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nearly everything is up to the mercy of the general
public.

I am meaning given like the right to free speech, the right to refuse troop quartering, the right to not self-incriminate, or whatever other right we have that is just given by the Constitution. Access to healthcare, including abortion, should be absolutely no different. No one should be able to vote on what kind of care another receives.

 

[F1fan]

I’m not sure what that has to do with this ballot question.

Well the "forced-birth" side is driven by Christin extremists, and these Christians have intermingled with Republicans. So the religious and politics are not separate over abortion access. The "forced-birth" issue is religious, albeit not moral despite the emotional appeal that is sold as moral. It is thus political since it is on a ballot.

Not being a Christian I have no problem if Christianity is losing ground.

Christianity losing ground means republicans losing ground. This is why the desperate and extreme efforts by republicans is to impose the Christian right's agenda NOW!! How long until non-religious republicans realize they have been used?

But then again, I don’t think heathenism is the way of the future.

That's OK because this isn't a thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I’m not sure what that has to do with this ballot question. Not being a Christian I have no problem if Christianity is losing ground. But then again, I don’t think heathenism is the way of the future.

It's better than having a god leading us, because in reality it is never god or the religion but the worst example of (very typically) men that religion has to offer.
We are all better off when we utterly reject "god said so" as a political and social excuse.

 

[Shaul]

Well the "forced-birth" side is driven by Christin extremists, and these Christians have intermingled with Republicans. So the religious and politics are not separate over abortion access. The "forced-birth" issue is religious, albeit not moral despite the emotional appeal that is sold as moral. It is thus political since it is on a ballot.


Christianity losing ground means republicans losing ground. This is why the desperate and extreme efforts by republicans is to impose the Christian right's agenda NOW!! How long until non-religious republicans realize they have been used?


That's OK because this isn't a thing.

There are problems with what you wrote. There are Christians that support abortion and aren’t Republicans. The highest elected Democrats, President Biden and House Speaker Pelosi, are both high profile Catholics and vehement supporters of abortion.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am meaning given like the right to free speech, the right to refuse troop quartering, the right to not self-incriminate, or whatever other right we have that is just given by the Constitution. Access to healthcare, including abortion, should be absolutely no different. No one should be able to vote on what kind of care another receives.

Any of those rights can be waved away if SCOTUS really
wants to. Take your right to a jury trial. SCOTUS invented
the Petty Offense Doctrine to give government the right
to unilaterally waive your right if facing only a year in jail.
The 6th Amendment? They micturated on it.
Involuntary servitude is prohibited? Nah. They still allow
the military draft.
No rights are sacred & untouchable. We must be ever
vigilant, lest our rights erode over time.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You shouldn't need to vote for something like this. But I'm glad it had a positive outcome.

 

[crossfire]

I went and dug up the Bill of Rights in the Kansas State Constitution, and I must say that I found it to be a most admirable document. I'm so impressed by it that I would be very suspicious of anyone who tried to amend such a fine document in such a way that would allow government to extinguish these rights. I also read the Kansas Supreme Court Syllabus for the Hodes & Nauser v Schmidt case. I am equally impressed by it. I can see why Kansas voters voted no to the proposed change in the Constitution, as the Kansas State Constitution Bill of Rights and the Court's explanation of them are both supremely brilliant and rational as they are, and it would be very difficult to improve on them. Kudos to the fine people of Kansas. You have both my respect and my envy.

 

[Shaul]

It's better than having a god leading us, because in reality it is never god or the religion but the worst example of (very typically) men that religion has to offer.
We are all better off when we utterly reject "god said so" as a political and social excuse.

Uh oh, I have news for you. G-d is in control. He always has been and always will be.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Uh oh, I have news for you. G-d is in control. He always has been and always will be.

The Christians and Muslims say the same, and I think we can agree that despite them claiming to have the same god they are very different gods from each other just as they are different from the Jewish god.
But we know they are no more in control than a million forgotten gods.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Any of those rights can be waved away if SCOTUS really
wants to. Take your right to a jury trial. SCOTUS invented
the Petty Offense Doctrine to give government the right
to unilaterally waive your right if facing only a year in jail.
The 6th Amendment? They micturated on it.
Involuntary servitude is prohibited? Nah. They still allow
the military draft.
No rights are sacred & untouchable. We must be ever
vigilant, lest our rights erode over time.

I am aware. But these are things we should expect from the government. They serve us. Not enough people realize this.

 

[Shaul]

The Christians and Muslims say the same, and I think we can agree that despite them claiming to have the same god they are very different gods from each other just as they are different from the Jewish god.
But we know they are no more in control than a million forgotten gods.

A million imposters doesn’t make the genuine one false.

 

[fantome profane]

Uh oh, I have news for you. G-d is in control. He always has been and always will be.

So this vote must have gone the way “God” wanted it to go.

 

[Shaul]

So this vote must have gone the way “God” wanted it to go.

That doesn’t follow. It means that He is allowing this to happen by giving we humans certain freedom of action. But He and His plans are not moved. “Man plans, G-d laughs.”-Yiddish expression

 

[Revoltingest]

I am aware. But these are things we should expect from the government. They serve us. Not enough people realize this.

Government does indeed serve us...at itmes.
At other times, it serves itself.

 

[Sand Dancer]

As a Kansas resident there was a lot of talk and advertising about the vote on August 2. It was a primary vote, so usually very low turnout. Republicans in the statehouse decided to put a decision on the ballot for a change to the KS constitution to restrict abortion access. It was controversial because the republicans knew conservatives were more likely to vote, and the language on the ballot was confusing. There was a lot of uncertainty about the results. Recent polls shoed the YES to change the constitution would win. One poll had YES at 47% and NO at 42%. Kansas is largely a red state but has been leaning moderate and even left.

The usual turnout is about 400,000 but today drew over 800,000. The results at 93% counted is YES at 40% and NO at 60%. So this tells us that citizens want abortion services to be available to women, and the "forced to give birth" movement is not acceptable.

What does this mean to the uber-conservatives who want to impose their religious control over women and their rights?

Oh, good news!

 

[Sand Dancer]

I see a different picture. Christianity is losing
ground. So the future bodes fewer fundies who
would deny abortion rights. We heathens are
patient, & will prevail over superstitions.

They are doing all they can, however, to make us a theocracy.

 

[Sand Dancer]

There are problems with what you wrote. There are Christians that support abortion and aren’t Republicans. The highest elected Democrats, President Biden and House Speaker Pelosi, are both high profile Catholics and vehement supporters of abortion.

Supporters of choice anyway...

 

[F1fan]

There are problems with what you wrote. There are Christians that support abortion and aren’t Republicans.

Right, and that is largely because the Christian right and the Republicans are commingled. So while there are some that aren't part of one faction they are still part of the whole, and they are opposed to women's reproductive rights. This is about social politics, and that is a religious and conservative phenomenon.

The highest elected Democrats, President Biden and House Speaker Pelosi, are both high profile Catholics and vehement supporters of abortion.

They are members of the party that defends freedom and personal responsibility. Reubicans are more and more about control and power.

 

[Revoltingest]

They are doing all they can, however, to make us a theocracy.

We must resist.