It seems clear to me that the universe is amoral.....

[URAVIP2ME]

Although morality involves rules, not all rules involve morality.
So, the universe being orderly doesn't entail being moral per se.

Even science is Not the teacher of morality.
Unless damaged, we all come equipped with an in-born conscience to guide as to right or wrong.
A Bible educated conscience goes by what Jesus taught as to right and wrong in God's eyes.

 

[PureX]

It is not difficult to understand. You are changing your position as we talk though.

I have no "position". I am explaining an observation. I am not here to do battle with anyone. I don't care about who thinks they're right. I am simply explaining why I see the universe as being both benevolent, and egalitarian. You can view it however you want. And so can I. I see no reason for debate, here. Explanation, yes, but not debate.

 

[rational experiences]

If you'd ever heard a Satan angel as I had. It tried to keep my life safe. By warning me as it could. Not by intelligence just as itself.

Knowing it came once out of a burning volcano it proved that a spiritual being had in fact endured hell.

But we cannot explain their idea of burning as unlike us they were never biology with feelings.

I always felt a compassion for their journey which by human awareness I knew I was correct. As by inheritance we gained by comparing bodies....we had more feelings of suffering but a greater experience of freedom.

I live. I learnt.

 

[Koldo]

I have no "position". I am explaining an observation. I am not here to do battle with anyone. I don't care about who thinks they're right. I am simply explaining why I see the universe as being both benevolent, and egalitarian. You can view it however you want. And so can I. I see no reason for debate, here. Explanation, yes, but not debate.

To put it simple: I have yet to see any merit in your observations, or more specifically your conclusion from said observations.
When someone proceeds to define morality in an arbitrary manner (as in completely detached from what almost anyone would agree with) that happens to be extremely convenient to the point they are making, whatever they call benevolent or malevolent becomes utterly irrelevant.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Seems as if only the Bible holds out the hope of No more death to exist on Earth for us. - Isaiah 25:8

I just said in my previous post that through many cycles of rebirths and deaths, once you get spiritual enough, the cycle ends and you go on to higher realms. The Bible does not even get this story of reincarnation right,

This is a reason why God will send Jesus for Jesus to come !-

No that is not the reason. God will not send the Christ is for any 'resurrection' for the dead. The reason he will be sent is to inaugurate the 'New Age' and also to explain to all humanity the facts about karma and reincarnation and the Brotherhood of Man : Maitreya, the Christ

 

[PureX]

To put it simple: I have yet to see any merit in your observations, or more specifically your conclusion from said observations.

Well, that's hardly a surprise given the determination with which you were intending not to.

 

[syo]

The universe isn't amoral. The universe is ugly. Ugliness all around.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The universe isn't amoral. The universe is ugly. Ugliness all around.

Ugly, or for now under demonic influence with Satan being the behind-the-scenes puppeteer pulling strings ____
Sinner Satan has GREAT anger according to Revelation 12:12; Revelation 12:9.
Angry because Satan knows that Jesus will destroy him as brought out at Hebrews 2:14 B
Then, what is ugly (wicked) will be removed forever.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I just said in my previous post that through many cycles of rebirths and deaths, once you get spiritual enough, the cycle ends and you go on to higher realms. The Bible does not even get this story of reincarnation right,
No that is not the reason. God will not send the Christ is for any 'resurrection' for the dead. The reason he will be sent is to inaugurate the 'New Age' ....................................

I can agree with the 'New Age' because the Bible speaks of a coming new 'Thousand-Year Age' when Jesus will govern over Earth for a thousand years.
Right, the Bible does Not teach reincarnation but resurrection such as mentioned at 1 Corinthian 15:12-17.
If the dead are Not to be 'raised up' (resurrected) then live the Epicurean philosophy of Eat, Drink and be merry....
- 1 Corinthians 15:32

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If the divinity that created all of it wanted to leave behind a message, why would it be hidden from plain sight? Why would you have to deduce whatever it is?

Unsure. There could be a number of reasons, perhaps it is better taught through experience or maybe it's the only way to teach the lesson, or perhaps even it is just funner this way.

It just feels to me that life is a learning experience of some sort, I'm just not sure what it's trying to say.

 

[Koldo]

Unsure. There could be a number of reasons, perhaps it is better taught through experience or maybe it's the only way to teach the lesson, or perhaps even it is just funner this way.

It just feels to me that life is a learning experience of some sort, I'm just not sure what it's trying to say.

Isn't it far more likely there is no message at all?

 

[Willamena]

... and I'd like to add to be, here and now 'and forever'.
Jesus to come so we can Enjoy Life Forever right here on Earth.
That is the purpose of the Resurrection ( Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26)
Enemy death will be No more, and sickness will be No more because there will be 'healing' for earth's nations.
- Isaiah 33:24; Isaiah 35th chapter, Revelation 22:2.
If your mom is gone then she can be resurrected back on Resurrection Day with the opportunity to Enjoy Life forever.

That's an interesting expectation.

 

[PearlSeeker]

Assume, now, there is a God and the universe is going exactly they way God planned it. This is His design, everything that happens is exactly as it's meant to be.

What do you think the message is here? What do you interpret the meaning of our chaotic universe to be based on everything we know?

Maybe there is no message. It's just the way things are. Universe as we know it is neither moral nor immoral. Our universe is chaotic and ordered...

(Even if only this moment is certain and things are as good as it gets) acceptance and gratitude is the way to happiness. And changing things to the better even if it is just a drop in the ocean.

 

[PearlSeeker]

The Universe is not Amoral. It is super fair and just. Everything that happens to anyone is caused by his past actions (usually in a previous life). And any failures you have in this life will eventually result in success later, probably in the next life.

And death (or being killed) is not the worst thing to happen. You get to spend a time interval of rest and relaxation before being born again with a fresh start.

Not a bad scheme at all.

Here is some info on Karma: Individual Karma and Group Karma

Maybe. But is it the same individual that was born before and will be born in the future? If you erase one's memory you erase the person.

 

[PearlSeeker]

I am simply explaining why I see the universe as being both benevolent, and egalitarian.

Maybe it's just nice:

 

[soulsurvivor]

If the dead are Not to be 'raised up' (resurrected) then live the Epicurean philosophy of Eat, Drink and be merry....

There is no need to 'raise' the dead because they have either already been reborn on Earth or are living currently on another plane (astral, mental or in very cases spiritual plane), see heaven-hell-back.com/

 

[soulsurvivor]

Maybe. But is it the same individual that was born before and will be born in the future? If you erase one's memory you erase the person.

Memory in the physical brain of a specific incarnation may have been erased, but the soul is non-physical, the soul remembers all the lives and carries all memories within it. The soul remains the same throughout..

 

[PearlSeeker]

Memory in the physical brain of a specific incarnation may have been erased, but the soul is non-physical, the soul remembers all the lives and carries all memories within it. The soul remains the same throughout..

If you can't recall anything then what makes you you is lost, for example the relationships you've built... It's a kind of dementia.

 

[soulsurvivor]

If you can't recall anything then what makes you you is lost, for example the relationships you've built... It's a kind of dementia.

The soul remembers all the relationships over all the lifetimes. The brain in each life is new and does not remember any of the previous lives or the relationships in them.

 

[PearlSeeker]

The soul remembers all the relationships over all the lifetimes. The brain in each life is new and does not remember any of the previous lives or the relationships in them.

What is it any good for soul to remember if it doesn't have a capable brain to do so in each life?