Religion and Classism

[VoidCat]

And yet, in Honduras where people experience much more lack, have beautiful loving homes and wouldn't trade their children for anything--even in their hardships.

Why? What accounts for the difference?

Most parents wouldn't give up their kids indeed. My dad didn't but he had to. If he didn't I would be dead right now.

 

[Kenny]

Most parents wouldn't give up their kids indeed. My dad didn't but he had to. If he didn't I would be dead right now.

I'm not sure that "can afford it" applies in your case?

All I am saying is that "affordability" is in the eyes of the beholder. As I mentioned before, we were classified as "poor" for years... technically "can't afford them" - but I'm so glad we did.

 

[VoidCat]

I'm not sure that "can afford it" applies in your case?

All I am saying is that "affordability" is in the eyes of the beholder. As I mentioned before, we were classified as "poor" for years... technically "can't afford them" - but I'm so glad we did.

Im saying some folk can't afford kids and it's sometimes that's the case over desiring kids.

Not being able to afford kids in my eyes means not able to provide for said kids financially. Like being able to feed them and provide the basic necessities

 

[VoidCat]

And with all the food pantries and food stamps, how can one be without food in the US?

There's tons of kids in the US who don't get enough to eat. I was one of them and like I said I legit did not have food for 2 weeks. I got documentation it was brought up in a court case that my dad couldn't afford to feed us kids.

 

[VoidCat]

There's tons of kids in the US who don't get enough to eat. I was one of them and like I said I legit did not have food for 2 weeks. I got documentation it was brought up in a court case that my dad couldn't afford to feed us kids.

It was mentioned twice in the court document that he could barely feed himself let alone 4 children. They did not mention i went hungry for two weeks that's from my own memory.

 

[Kenny]

There's tons of kids in the US who don't get enough to eat. I was one of them and like I said I legit did not have food for 2 weeks. I got documentation it was brought up in a court case that my dad couldn't afford to feed us kids.

OK... I'm sure it was very difficult... my heart goes to you.

Yet, I would be a dad that would say, "but I'm so glad I still had you in my life and in this world". I wouldn't have changed my position of having you as a child.

 

[VoidCat]

OK... I'm sure it was very difficult... my heart goes to you.

Yet, I would be a dad that would say, "but I'm so glad I still had you in my life and in this world". I wouldn't have changed my position of having you as a child.

Im just saying it's not always possible to care for a child. Many folk get abortions cuz they legit cannot care for one. Sure they could have the child perhaps put them in fostercare or up for adoption. But that likely would lead to a lot of trauma. I will say as someone with CPTSD I would've rather not have had the trauma I've endured. Not saying a child couldnt live a good life with foster care or being adopted but with the way the system is many folk may think it's better to abort a child then have them have a life time of trauma. I dont have time to go into all the issues with the adoption and foster care systems but trust me both are horrible and the way they are set up is unethical. Plenty of folk who are better suited for explaining have made tons of accounts on it.

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Many dont want to get an abortion. They do so cuz they feel they have to and not cuz they want to

 

[Fool]

And yet, in Honduras where people experience much more lack, have beautiful loving homes and wouldn't trade their children for anything--even in their hardships.

Why? What accounts for the difference?

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And with all the food pantries and food stamps, how can one be without food in the US?

obviously you have never lived on food stamps, understand inflation or how anyone on foodstamps has other basic needs. Might work somewhat better in your more metropolitan areas but rural areas is where extreme poverty exists

 

[VoidCat]

obviously you have never lived on food stamps, understand inflation or how anyone on foodstamps has other basic needs. Might work somewhat better in your more metropolitan areas but rural areas is where extreme poverty exists

It was a more rural area where I lived as a young kid. Far from a lot of places. Strangely the few times I went to school none the teachers thought to contact DSS. Or if they did nothing was done about it that I can remember. They knew tho cuz they said something to a family member of mine about how hungry and dirty us kids look(we didn't bathe often and as a result our skin according to my aunt actually had a brownish tint of dirt). My aunt also said the house smelt of death when she went to get us. I don't know exactly why that might be.

 

[Fool]

Im just saying it's not always possible to care for a child. Many folk get abortions cuz they legit cannot care for one. Sure they could have the child perhaps put them in fostercare or up for adoption. But that likely would lead to a lot of trauma. I will say as someone with CPTSD I would've rather not have had the trauma I've endured. Not saying a child couldnt live a good life with foster care or being adopted but with the way the system is many folk may think it's better to abort a child then have them have a life time of trauma. I dont have time to go into all the issues with the adoption and foster care systems but trust me both are horrible and the way they are set up is unethical. Plenty of folk who are better suited for explaining have made tons of accounts on it.

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Many dont want to get an abortion. They do so cuz they feel they have to and not cuz they want to

And all the while the Jesus adoring largest group sit in their pews hoping this will get them to heaven. They want government off of their religion and guns but curtailing anything their religion finds offensive.

 

[firedragon]

For all the people who say “if you can’t afford to have a kid don’t have sex”…Do you think sex should be a class privilege??

No. It's a responsibility. Sex itself is a responsibility.

Though I don't understand how your OP is related your thread, it seems like you have not considered protected or organised sex, education, growing up, and statutory rape.

 

[Fool]

OK... I'm sure it was very difficult... my heart goes to you.

Yet, I would be a dad that would say, "but I'm so glad I still had you in my life and in this world". I wouldn't have changed my position of having you as a child.

that is so dreamy . WAKE UP and smell the coffee

 

[Sheldon]

And with all the food pantries and food stamps, how can one be without food in the US?

"The Census Bureau reported that 37.2 million people, or 11.4% of the U.S. population, were living in poverty in 2020, based on official poverty thresholds."

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"The official poverty rate in 2020 was 11.4 percent, up 1.0 percentage point from 10.5 percent in 2019. This is the first increase in poverty after five consecutive annual declines"

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[Kenny]

obviously you have never lived on food stamps, understand inflation or how anyone on foodstamps has other basic needs. Might work somewhat better in your more metropolitan areas but rural areas is where extreme poverty exists

Incorrect....

I received food stamps, had to believe to pay the electric, thanked God for school food vouchers (25c per meal). et al. more than a post could carry.

And still found God helping every step of the way.

Is there another question you wanted to ask? Or do you just want to put words in people's mouths.

 

[Kenny]

that is so dreamy . WAKE UP and smell the coffee

dark roasted, light, or other?

 

[Kenny]

"The Census Bureau reported that 37.2 million people, or 11.4% of the U.S. population, were living in poverty in 2020, based on official poverty thresholds."

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"The official poverty rate in 2020 was 11.4 percent, up 1.0 percentage point from 10.5 percent in 2019. This is the first increase in poverty after five consecutive annual declines"

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Very informative.

Are you suggesting that they all have abortions? Are you a segregationist on class?

 

[Fool]

Incorrect....

I received food stamps, had to believe to pay the electric, thanked God for school food vouchers (25c per meal). et al. more than a post could carry.

And still found God helping every step of the way.

Is there another question you wanted to ask? Or do you just want to put words in people's mouths.

and yet here again you didn't mention the very people that did that. god does it all by itself.


dreamy. you're so very, very dreamy.


god isn't something otherwise. love is the people that helped along the way. love, god is the people in your neighborhood.

 

[Fool]

Very informative.

Are you suggesting that they all have abortions? Are you a segregationist on class?

it is implying that the industry with the 15th biggest economy can't fix what it claims it's there for. to lift the poor and needy out of physical and spiritual poverty.

 

[Fool]

dark roasted, light, or other?

christianity is a huge disappointment in respect to the humanity it was entrusted to care for. a billion dollar industry and still poverty, ignorance, and need are rampant, while those who sit in their churches celebrating victory.

flattery will get you no where matthew 7:21-23


christianity has failed. another religion bites the dust

 

[Bathos Logos]

What's religion got to do with it?

Religion is probably one of the only reasons someone would be found saying "if you can’t afford to have a kid don’t have sex" as a type of admonishing consolation to support the idea that abortion being taken off the table is manageable by all. Abortion being taken off the table is very much known to be a religiously-driven thing. There aren't many other groups as vocal about it. And this statement is one of the ones found to be said by those religious people trying to convince everyone they're doing something wrong in the first place if they find themselves thinking about abortion.