Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

[Sheldon]

You do not seem to understand what is and what is not evidence. There are rules of evidence.

Spot on my friend, you have beaten me to the punch yet again. This in a nutshell is precisely why @ElishaElijah's arguments are just constant subjective assertions, being falsely trumpeted as objective evidence.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Spot on my friend, you have beaten me to the punch yet again. This in a nutshell is precisely why @ElishaElijah's arguments are just constant subjective assertions, being falsely trumpeted as objective evidence.

Would you like to borrow my boxing glows

 

[ElishaElijah]

If so, only the old Testament then...or torah as they call their teaching as far as I know

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed and the whole Bible is about One person Jesus Christ who was revealed to the World, the New Testament is that record.

 

[Sheldon]

More evidence you lost the debate

More evidence you don't have even the most basic grasp of debate.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed and the whole Bible is about One person Jesus Christ who was revealed to the World, the New Testament is that record.

As far as I know ( I may not know much) but jews was before the new law that become the new Testament.

That Jews today follow the old teaching is fully their right and I support them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So are we going to discuss the Shroud or do we all know that it is fake?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nope. That may be your belief, but it is not mine. You said that you were not an ape. That means you are saying that you are not a man since humans are apes.

Believe whatever you want, I’m not going to stop you. That’s the world we live in, people don’t know what they are until we talk abortion then, we know what women are all of the sudden. I didn’t see your relative ape all in an uproar about the ruling. They may actually have an edge on you in intellect in that regard. Do they have or need PP?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Believe whatever you want, I’m not going to stop you. That’s the world we live in, people don’t know what they are until we talk abortion then, we know what women are all of the sudden. I didn’t see your relative ape all in an uproar about the ruling. They may actually have an edge on you in intellect.

Yes. We do not like the immoral apes.

 

[Sheldon]

What stage of pregnancy is your picture ? I have to inform you that there is more to the baby development in the womb than you seem to understand. Let’s help you out.

Baby Development Month By Month

Baby Development Month by Month
A baby grows and develops an amazing amount in just nine months. Here’s a short summary of how your baby’s development occurs during pregnancy.

You all need to call CDC and American Pregnancy.org and correct some people on their definitions.

Nice straw man, pretty ironic given you have focused on the tiny minority of late term abortions, in order to present misleading and emotive rhetoric. It's not a baby while it is in the womb, it is either a blastocyst (would you like another picture to help you understand the difference?) or a developing but still insentient foetus, that remains a part of the woman's body, topologically connected and using the woman's body, her immune system, metabolism, blood for all nutrition and oxygen. You seem to think ignoring these facts and says baby over and over again is somehow winning a debate, which is frankly risible.

Not once have you justified the enslavement of women that will inevitably result from removing their right to bodily autonomy. We wouldn't do this for fully sentient people either, so your deeply flawed argument the blastocyst or developing foetus is an individual person is a very poor argument even were it true, which it clearly is not.

 

[Sheldon]

Anyone else think this looks like a stepped on unused condom?

Now you mention it, it does, pretty funny too if one appreciates irony, which of course I do.

 

[questfortruth]

Nice straw man, pretty ironic given you have focused on the tiny minority of late term abortions, in order to present misleading and emotive rhetoric. It's not a baby while it is in the womb, it is either a blastocyst (would you like another picture to help you understand the difference?) or a developing but still insentient foetus, that remains a part of the woman's body, topologically connected and using the woman's body, her immune system, metabolism, blood for all nutrition and oxygen. You seem to think ignoring these facts and says baby over and over again is somehow winning a debate, which is frankly risible.

Not once have you justified the enslavement of women that will inevitably result from removing their right to bodily autonomy. We wouldn't do this for fully sentient people either, so your deeply flawed argument the blastocyst or developing foetus is an individual person is a very poor argument even were it true, which it clearly is not.

Church has list of sins. abort is sin.

 

[Sheldon]

A human life cycle starts at pregnancy. That’s biology

Your basic biology seems to have omitted quite a few important biological steps in this cycle.

However even allowing for that, this claim seems rather trivially true, what point is it supposed to be making?

 

[Sheldon]

Church has list of sins. abort is sin.

Your church, I am not part of your church and am not obliged to listen to their subjective beliefs or claims, nor is anyone else come to that. If people don't like abortions then they are not obliged to have one.

 

[questfortruth]

Your church, I am not part of your church and am not obliged to listen to their subjective beliefs or claims, nor is anyone else come to that. If people don't like abortions then they are not obliged to have one.

Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:15

 

[ElishaElijah]

As far as I know ( I may not know much) but jews was before the new law that become the new Testament.

That Jews today follow the old teaching is fully their right and I support them.

Some Jews follow the law and have not received Jesus Christ, some Jews were following the law that leads to Christ, have been born again and are believers just like the Church in Acts.

 

[Sheldon]

Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:15

That's a no true Scotsman fallacy, for a genius your reasoning is very poor, for example using known logical fallacies like this, and the fact you don't seem to grasp that reeling off subjective claims doesn't make compelling argument.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Revelation 22:15

Now that is abusing the Bible again. You would not like this if it were done to you. Edit your post and I will edit this quote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some Jews follow the law and have not received Jesus Christ, some Jews were following the law that leads to Christ, have been born again and are believers just like the Church in Acts.

And now you are proselytizing.

 

[questfortruth]

Now that is abusing the Bible again.

stop hating Holy Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

stop hating Bible.

I am not hating it. I do not want to see you banned.

 

[questfortruth]

I am not hating it. I do not want to see you banned.

then do not report the unpleasant Bible quote.