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Featured Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jun 26, 2022.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    The Top Science has proven in 2022 AD that God does exist:



    ``New Peer Reviewed Date for the Shroud of Turin'' YouTube, De Caro L., Teresa Sibillano, Rocco Lassandro, Cinzia Giannini,
    Giulio Fanti, ``X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud's Linen Sample'' Heritage 5(2), 860--870 (2022).

    X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample

    Why to remain an atheist? There is 4-th law of Logic - "Sufficient Reasoning". The features of the S. of T. together with the discovery of its age make the God so much probable, that it is Sufficient to conclude, that God exists. Some Creationist can lie to save an atheist. But I have provided all facts: peer-reviewed paper, sufficient reasoning principle.

    To my knowledge,
    Friedrich Nietzsche defines Nihilism as rejecting an obvious truth, like 2+2=4.
    It is Nihilism to reply ``there are no proofs'' without reporting mistakes.
    Otherwise, it is crazy trolling and bullying, like in the case against Jesus:
    ``If I said something wrong, show what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth,
    why did you strike Me?'' John 18:23.
     
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    The Catholic Herald seem to have missed this news. so the claim seems pretty dubious. However were it true it would not be objective evidence for a deity of course. Why would you think it was? For a genius you seem to love leaping to biased and unevidenced conclusions.
     
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    I can't find any independent confirmation of this claim anywhere, the Shroud was carbon dated in 1988, and the result showed it dated to the 13th century.

    Can you demonstrate even one independent source for this story, let alone peer review? Only the claim is looking more and more like a dubious fabrication.
     
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    It doesn't prove God exists, that Jesus is God or does not provide a direct link to Jesus. It's just older than we thought. I don't think you entirely understand how proof works.

    And then, there is this...

    "We obtained one-dimensional integrated WAXS data profiles for the TS sample, which were fully compatible with the analogous measurements obtained on a linen sample whose dating, according to historical records, is 55–74 AD, Siege of Masada (Israel)." ~from the article
     
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    Trust me, the world itself is fabricated.
     
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    What is the problem you spotted?
     
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    You're ignoring the date and location of the finding.
     
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    It is very good news, that their results are from first AD. Because the date 55 AD is from the first AD.
     
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    The shroud of turin is an early attempt at 2D photography. It certainly is not a 3D images as draped over a face and body. Which would look something like this.
    hqdefault.jpg

    Its easy to check for yourself. Lie down, place a handkerchief over your face and mark the prominent features using a felt tip pen.
     
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    So no then, you can't offer a single independent source supporting that claim? Don't you find it bizarre that the RCC hasn't reported this at all? For a self proclaimed genius you seem pretty gullible.
     
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    Cite another source please, not a link to a YouTube video. I can get a YouTube video proving mermaids are real in a few seconds, it is not a reliable or credible source.

    Edit. 0:58 seconds into your video, "Elite scientists have stated "we are dealing with two very different dating techniques, that have produced significantly different results, when this happens caution is required before final conclusions are reached"

    Now have you shown any caution here? You immediately leaped on the conclusion, even making the bizarre assumption it was proof for a deity.
     
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    All we have so far is a single source you provided making a claim, how gullible do you imagine we are? Also why is it "good news"? A piece of cloth might be older than previously thought, not exactly world shattering news. Your eager bias here is palpable, as usual. You ought to try and retain at least some pretence of objectivity.
     
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    There is 4-th law of Logic - "Sufficient Reasoning". The features of the S. of T. together with the discovery of its age make the God so much probable, that it is Sufficient to conclude, that God exists.
     
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    Logic? Nah more like confirmation bias
     
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    Firstly that's not what Hamilton's 4th law says, it can be encompassed in the premise: "Infer nothing without ground or reason" More HERE
    Which is precisely what you're doing here inferring seeming based on nothing but assumption.

    :tearsofjoy: Oh dear....As I said you should try and retain at least the pretence of some objectivity here, your eager bias is making your posts appear silly. Even in the video you linked he managed to check his hubris a little, and pointed out that using new dating technique which conflicts with another one will require replication of the test at the very least to properly establish the results, and even then your assumption the date proves a deity exists is risible.
     
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    The ``five sigma rule'' used to discover the Higgs Boson is the
    reliance on Sufficient Reasoning. Why? It is scientific to accept (beyond any doubt) the
    existence of the Higgs Boson (or any effect or particle in Particle Physics)
    if the probability of a mistake is less than the five sigma rule value.
     
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    You're going to have to explain why you've just offered me my own link back in response, and if you'd bothered to read the explanation of the law you'd see where I got its conclusion from.

    The result of this new dating technique differs from another established technique, and your own video link pointed out that scientific experts advised caution before reaching a conclusion, you have shown no such caution. The date of the shroud is not evidence of anything supernatural per se, and nor is it evidence of a deity per se, you have simply assumed these conclusions, thus your conclusion is without ground or reasoning, as you haven't sufficient reason for those conclusions, ipso facto your conclusions violate the 4th law of logic that you yourself cited.
     
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    It was actually the LHC that discovered the Higgs boson. I.e. observation.
     
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