Still love your guns, America? Fourteen elementary kids and teacher killed in Texas

[Truth in love]

How would you rate your chances to survive an attempted murder when the assailant has A. a hammer, B. a knife or C. a gun?

low in all situations where I don't have gun. (I'm not Chuck Norris).

Gun laws don't disarm bad guys, just the good ones. Tipping the balance of power to use lethal force away from good guys into the hands of bad guys does not help.

 

[Truth in love]

Not in the US.

In which way are these rights not protected?

 

[Truth in love]

Oh, sweetie. You really do think that you and your AR-15 would stand a chance against an oppressive government out to strip you of your rights.

Maybe try watching something other than Red Dawn tonight for a change.

LOL never seen it.

I have however studied history and good people with arms tend to discourage bad people from attacking.

 

[Truth in love]

I do believe this is the thread I posted the murder rate of several countries, including America.
Amd I am actually planning on leaving America. Canada, England, Ireland, Germany, Australia and New Zealand are the ones I'm looking at. And being in the medical field is good for my chances.

I wish you well.

I lived is Aus years back. Interesting place. New Z's economy was really struggling at the time so I met a lot of folks from there. New Z has the better food and way less scary animals.

 

[Truth in love]

Jesus, who said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword and also that we should be as harmless as doves, was wrong? He taught peace, not supporting machines that kill. Can you picture him today with an AR-15 in his hands?

BTW, the "sword" used in eretz Israel back then was generally between 1 to 2 feet in length as was mostly used as a utility knife, much like one today might carry a Swiss Army Knife. I saw a couple of them in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem.

I need something to beet into a plow-sheer when the time comes. If Christ was overly opposed to defense he did not talk much about it. The OT clearly shows that at times war may be needed.
When the Savior returns I'll be happy to toss my gun into the recycle bin, but for now my duty to protect my family requires that I have the proper tools.

 

[Heyo]

In which way are these rights not protected?

Look into your Constitution, including Amendments. There is no inalienable right to life. It is in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence but that isn't law. That means your government (e.g. a court) can decide to kill you and it would be legal.

 

[SkepticThinker]

low in all situations where I don't have gun. (I'm not Chuck Norris).

Gun laws don't disarm bad guys, just the good ones. Tipping the balance of power to use lethal force away from good guys into the hands of bad guys does not help.

Good gun laws help keep the guns away from the bad guys. Ask any developed country outside the US.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wish you well.

I lived is Aus years back. Interesting place. New Z's economy was really struggling at the time so I met a lot of folks from there. New Z has the better food and way less scary animals.

Thanks. As for those two areas, being a ginger I'm more worried about the sun than the local wildlife.

I need something to beet into a plow-sheer when the time comes. If Christ was overly opposed to defense he did not talk much about it. The OT clearly shows that at times war may be needed.
When the Savior returns I'll be happy to toss my gun into the recycle bin, but for now my duty to protect my family requires that I have the proper tools.

Why not work on making society more safe to where you don't have to worry about that?

 

[Heyo]

Gun laws don't disarm bad guys

Yes, they do. Have licenses, have background checks without loopholes, have safe storage laws and the bad guys will have much more difficulties to gain access to a gun than a law abiding citizen.
Without that you just ask for the bad guys to walk into Walmart and get an AR-15.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, they do. Have licenses, have background checks without loopholes, have safe storage laws and the bad guys will have much more difficulties to gain access to a gun than a law abiding citizen.
Without that you just ask for the bad guys to walk into Walmart and get an AR-15.

Too bad that we don't have an modern examples of first world countries banning guns. Please ignore any links that appear. I am sure that the gun lovers will.

After Port Arthur - Issues of Gun Control in Australia

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

 

[Heyo]

Too bad that we don't have an modern examples of first world countries banning guns. Please ignore any links that appear. I am sure that the gun lovers will.

After Port Arthur - Issues of Gun Control in Australia

Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org

You forget American Exceptionalism. What works in the rest of the world, doesn't work in the US.
/sarcasm

 

[metis]

I need something to beet into a plow-sheer when the time comes. If Christ was overly opposed to defense he did not talk much about it. The OT clearly shows that at times war may be needed.
When the Savior returns I'll be happy to toss my gun into the recycle bin, but for now my duty to protect my family requires that I have the proper tools.

So, you believe Jesus was wrong. Got it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The government is not to be trusted, and communities ought to have guns. Encourage citizens to participate in government.

If school shootings are happening, then its time to ramp up security at the schools with metal detectors and locker searches. We can do the same thing at grocery stores and other places. Don't want guns in your theater? Metal detectors. Its your business, so you can run it how you prefer. Walmart? Same.

While we are at it, lets get the schools to require performance in order to pass grades, and lets require students to sit still and be disciplined. No more letting people slide, and no more tolerance of children acting up in class. If students can't do well in their first six years then they shouldn't be coddled. They don't belong in high school. Also if a high schooler can't do well in high school then they should be expelled or suspended until they can continue normally.

But we can trust the government that has caused so many problems to take care of us. We should give it our guns. That's wise, because there are school shootings. No.

Don't forget that governments find it convenient to pick on an unarmed populace from time to time. Don't forget the strike breakers and the genocides and the times when citizens are guinea pigs for government experiments and the times when we are falsely accused and made prison slaves. Why should citizens be unarmed when the police are set up as special forces units? Why should citizens be unarmed in a country that is the world's largest weapons seller?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The government is not to be trusted, and communities ought to have guns. Encourage citizens to participate in government.

If school shootings are happening, then its time to ramp up security at the schools with metal detectors and locker searches. We can do the same thing at grocery stores and other places. Don't want guns in your theater? Metal detectors. Its your business, so you can run it how you prefer. Walmart? Same.

While we are at it, lets get the schools to require performance in order to pass grades, and lets require students to sit still and be disciplined. No more letting people slide, and no more tolerance of children acting up in class. If students can't do well in their first six years then they shouldn't be coddled. They don't belong in high school. Also if a high schooler can't do well in high school then they should be expelled or suspended until they can continue normally.

But we can trust the government that has caused so many problems to take care of us. We should give it our guns. That's wise, because there are school shootings. No.

Don't forget that governments find it convenient to pick on an unarmed populace from time to time. Don't forget the strike breakers and the genocides and the times when citizens are guinea pigs for government experiments and the times when we are falsely accused and made prison slaves. Why should citizens be unarmed when the police are set up as special forces units? Why should citizens be unarmed in a country that is the world's largest weapons seller?

You know what the problem with that is? I have been a fringe government lackey (as I basically did the job of certain government position for a government agency and could perform duties on the authority of the state), and that you basically don't trust us to do our jobs, be capable of doing the right thing, and that we're just causing problems. It blatantly ignores the things that go well, the good that is done, and it's not all conspiracy garbage. I saw some people performing work on behalf of the government over the past few months. They did fine work. It's not all good, but the government isn't a faceless entity. It is made up of people like you and me.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You know what the problem with that is? I have been a fringe government lackey (as I basically did the job of certain government position for a government agency and could perform duties on the authority of the state), and that you basically don't trust us to do our jobs, be capable of doing the right thing, and that we're just causing problems. It blatantly ignores the things that go well, the good that is done, and it's not all conspiracy garbage. I saw some people performing work on behalf of the government over the past few months. They did fine work. It's not all good, but the government isn't a faceless entity. It is made up of people like you and me.

That is an equitable statement. Would you also agree that it runs like a runaway baby buggy sometimes?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is an equitable statement. Would you also agree that it runs like a runaway baby buggy sometimes?

Yes, but this Reaganish "We're from the government and we're to help" is a slap in the face to many, including some of your neighbors. Teachers, doctors, social workers, accountants, construction workers, fire fighters, police, researchers, military and many more positions have the government involved somewhere, even if it's just over viewing regulations and quality controls. Like food recalls, we do a fairly good job at tracking sources down and getting unsafe food products off the shelves. They could do more to try to stop it at the source (sometimes), but when's the last time you heard of bad food continually being on the market?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

If school shootings are happening, then its time to ramp up security at the schools with metal detectors and locker searches. We can do the same thing at grocery stores and other places. Don't want guns in your theater? Metal detectors. Its your business, so you can run it how you prefer. Walmart? Same.

So replacing one form of dystopia for another?

While we are at it, lets get the schools to require performance in order to pass grades, and lets require students to sit still and be disciplined. No more letting people slide, and no more tolerance of children acting up in class. If students can't do well in their first six years then they shouldn't be coddled. They don't belong in high school. Also if a high schooler can't do well in high school then they should be expelled or suspended until they can continue normally.

That style of pedagogy is more likely to increase generational poverty.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yes, but this Reaganish "We're from the government and we're to help" is a slap in the face to many, including some of your neighbors. Teachers, doctors, social workers, accountants, construction workers, fire fighters, police, researchers, military and many more positions have the government involved somewhere, even if it's just over viewing regulations and quality controls. Like food recalls, we do a fairly good job at tracking sources down and getting unsafe food products off the shelves. They could do more to try to stop it at the source (sometimes), but when's the last time you heard of bad food continually being on the market?

So replacing one form of dystopia for another?



That style of pedagogy is more likely to increase generational poverty.

Thank you both for your thoughts. I don't have anything to quip back at the moment. I'm sorry if that is boring. I think you have some points.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Thank you both for your thoughts. I don't have anything to quip back at the moment. I'm sorry if that is boring. I think you have some points.

That's fine! To put some context to my response on pedagogy, I am a special education teacher for a behavioral program, meaning I work with the type of kiddos that would be impacted by your suggestion. I have a bit of a stake in that game. ;-)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's fine! To put some context to my response on pedagogy, I am a special education teacher for a behavioral program, meaning I work with the type of kiddos that would be impacted by your suggestion. I have a bit of a stake in that game. ;-)

The stories I've heard from teachers recounting their observations of online teaching during the pandemic was rather alarming and eye opening, because it showed there are far more kids than we realized who's parents are not supportive of and even detrimental towards their child's education. It seemed to match my own observation is social work with kids, and that is often times the parents need services more than the kids and the kids need services because of the parent(s). It also made me realize grades are probably not the best way to access performance and learning for anyone. And after centuries of methods that have changed little, I'm sure we can do something better than sitting still all day and enforcing strict discipline against the body's want and need to move.