Why Would Noah's Flood Have Been the Best Way for God to Cleanse the Earth?

[rational experiences]

The earth O a planet exists it doesn't own a past.

The heavens exist exact as one human any human says by thinking about its existence.

Presence the present we said is all that matters.

A human. The human. A human thinking.

So if the human keeps wanting to impose a human preaching about a status once....ask yourself what for?

As human life is a living reality. Dependent on balances of the heavens mass and earths body stability.

To live...survive until you die. The basic human experience the same for everyone.

Sex by parents as human birth...self human experience.

Discussing a thesis is discussing a thesis. Talking thinking only.

As natural is natural as natural.

Now if you claim as a human I want to understand it. What for?

Real answer my personal motivation says I believe I want to change it.

I want not to have what it now exists as...

Natural. Medical advice has a human purpose.

As all animals are named by humans already even when you weren't living with them. It's humans the warning self destruction by human choice who gives everything a name as the human because they want to.

So I can look at human behaviour as a human and say what a lot of human egotists. As it's a self human teaching involving human behaviour by human choice.

If a human can say I know everything is natural it's the same advice that exists for any other human too.

So when a human wants to infer they are better informed I know you lie.

As it is just human egotism as a human behaviour.

So if you get enough other humans to agree with the thought and the behaviour then you express a coercive group.

It was unnatural human group behaviours that proved the teaching of human life about human consciousness and it's the ism....who allowed lifes destruction attack to begin.

Pretty basic advice. Yet when a human tries to technically explain it...as you exist first owning choice by being human. A thesis owns no pre position.

As without your self human presence there isn't any theism.

 

[David Davidovich]

I've read them. Meantime many believe there is no judgment coming, any extermination will come from man or a comet, etc. I firmly believe the Bible is inspired by God, written by men and preserved by God over the years.

But there's lots of proof that it isn't. However, it appears that religious people believe what gives them more hope, comfort, and certainty, even though it may not be true.

As it also says, I paraphrase, some say, why worry? All things are going on as usual.

Actually, there's plenty to worry about. Also, as far 2 Peter 3:2-4 is concerned:

Verse 2 refers to OT prophets (1:16-21) not Christian prophets. Peter emphasizes that the teachings of the apostles came directly from Jesus (the Lord and Savior). The phrase “your apostles” refers to the apostles who evangelized and taught the churches addressed. “The call to remember presupposes that these believers have received the fundamentals of Christian teaching on the same level with the OT prophetic testimony” (G. Green 313).

3:3 Above all, understand this: In the last days blatant scoffers will come, being propelled by their own evil urges 3:4 and saying, “Where is his promised return? For ever since our ancestors died, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.”

The NT writers emphasized that the “last days” had arrived with the death and resurrection of Christ (Acts 2:17; Gal 4:4; Heb 1:2). The opponents are the “blatant scoffers” who indulge in evil (ch. 2) and deny the second coming. The prophecy concerning such scoffers was already fulfilled in the days of Peter. The opponents reasoned that since God has not intervened since the age of the patriarchs or from creation then he will not intervene in eschatological judgment. There is no “our” in the Greek text behind “our ancestors” so it is better translated “the ancestors.” The term translated “ancestors” (pateres) always refers to the OT patriarchs and not to first generation of Christians (Mt 23:30, 32; Lk 1:55, 72; 6:23, 26; 11:47; Jn 4:20; 6:31, 49, 58; 7:22; Acts 3:13, 25; 5:30; 7:2, 11-12, 15, 19, 32, 38-39, 44-45, 51-52; 13:17, 32, 36; 15:10; 22:1, 14; 26:6; 28:25; Rom 9:5; 11:28; 15:8; 1 Cor 10:1; Heb 1:1; 3:9; 8:9; Barn 5:7; 14:1; Apoc Pet E 16; Ep Apost [Coptic] 28) in the first two Christian centuries (Bauckham 292). In other words, the scoffers are not denying the second coming because the first generation of Christians had died. “For it is not said that things continue as they done since the coming of Christ, but since the beginning of the creation. The mockers were twisting the Old Testament Scriptures; it is, appropriately, out of the Old Testament that Peter confounds them” (M. Green 140).​

click here: Commentary on 2 Peter 3 – Biblical Scholarship (wordpress.com)

 

[rational experiences]

Right, Eve did Not come up with the idea on her own but implanted by Satan Genesis chapter 3.
Satan was also with perfection (angelic perfection) until he chose to do wrong - please see James 1:13-15
Satan tempted Eve with the 'first lie' (sin) found at Genesis 3:4
Resurrection ( Abel ) is Not a non-answer. Abel will be resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

The human theists teaching.

Men invented as human men all scientific terms.

As all creation created already existed.

A man had to give a theme O circular mass a thesis. O said I give the circle a number factor. By a man thinking.

Has to live to express that advice as mass isn't a circle. It's formed mass is multi varied forms.

Therefore it's obvious men said my cloud mass satanic advice for Sophia Phi maths space womb theories was wrong. His man's confession about his chosen maths a thesis.

As man proved that the immaculate heavens owned no space.

Was his owned man's human teaching to his man self that confessed he conjured the para at his side normal.

Once only. The female maths term of men wrong as his life was hurt.

Teaching. The condition change is first and one or once everytime it's applied by human choice. Yet the beginning status was never the same as it had become unequal.

As the teaching was really about how a self destructive man men brother group named Satan science began.

The teaching was hence the philosophy about why men theorising about female womb zero maths are destructive by chosen activity.

 

[YoursTrue]

But there's lots of proof that it isn't. However, it appears that religious people believe what gives them more hope, comfort, and certainty, even though it may not be true.



Actually, there's plenty to worry about. Also, as far 2 Peter 3:2-4 is concerned:

Verse 2 refers to OT prophets (1:16-21) not Christian prophets. Peter emphasizes that the teachings of the apostles came directly from Jesus (the Lord and Savior). The phrase “your apostles” refers to the apostles who evangelized and taught the churches addressed. “The call to remember presupposes that these believers have received the fundamentals of Christian teaching on the same level with the OT prophetic testimony” (G. Green 313).

3:3 Above all, understand this: In the last days blatant scoffers will come, being propelled by their own evil urges 3:4 and saying, “Where is his promised return? For ever since our ancestors died, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.”

The NT writers emphasized that the “last days” had arrived with the death and resurrection of Christ (Acts 2:17; Gal 4:4; Heb 1:2). The opponents are the “blatant scoffers” who indulge in evil (ch. 2) and deny the second coming. The prophecy concerning such scoffers was already fulfilled in the days of Peter. The opponents reasoned that since God has not intervened since the age of the patriarchs or from creation then he will not intervene in eschatological judgment. There is no “our” in the Greek text behind “our ancestors” so it is better translated “the ancestors.” The term translated “ancestors” (pateres) always refers to the OT patriarchs and not to first generation of Christians (Mt 23:30, 32; Lk 1:55, 72; 6:23, 26; 11:47; Jn 4:20; 6:31, 49, 58; 7:22; Acts 3:13, 25; 5:30; 7:2, 11-12, 15, 19, 32, 38-39, 44-45, 51-52; 13:17, 32, 36; 15:10; 22:1, 14; 26:6; 28:25; Rom 9:5; 11:28; 15:8; 1 Cor 10:1; Heb 1:1; 3:9; 8:9; Barn 5:7; 14:1; Apoc Pet E 16; Ep Apost [Coptic] 28) in the first two Christian centuries (Bauckham 292). In other words, the scoffers are not denying the second coming because the first generation of Christians had died. “For it is not said that things continue as they done since the coming of Christ, but since the beginning of the creation. The mockers were twisting the Old Testament Scriptures; it is, appropriately, out of the Old Testament that Peter confounds them” (M. Green 140).​

click here: Commentary on 2 Peter 3 – Biblical Scholarship (wordpress.com)

You may have whatever you want or tend to believe. As we may have the choice.

 

[David Davidovich]

Does the Bible give a time frame.......? Please read what Jesus told his apostles at Luke 19:11-15.
Jesus, as the nobleman, would journey ( go far away ) before he would later return.
Please remember John wrote 'after' the year 70 but at the very end of the first century.
The book of Revelation was not in existence in the year 70.
Remember: Matthew chapter 24; Luke chapter 21 has both a 'minor' and a MAJOR fulfillment.
The 'great tribulation' found at Revelation 7:14,9 is still future.
We are at the ride of the horseman of Revelation 6:8.
Wrong guesses, wrong thoughts do Not make the Bible as wrong just the thoughts or guesses as wrong.
Thus, Matthew 25:31-33 is still ahead of us.​

I really don't have too much of an answer to your post except to say that I think it was in this thread where you may have mentioned that God has allowed wickedness to exist in the world for this long for the purpose of proving that humankind cannot successfully rule itself (or something like that). But what I would like to know is: Who exactly is this being proved to and how?

 

[YoursTrue]

I really don't have too much of an answer to your post except to say that I think it was in this thread where you may have mentioned that God has allowed wickedness to exist in the world for this long for the purpose of proving that humankind cannot successfully rule itself (or something like that). But what I would like to know is: Who exactly is this being proved to and how?

Before I even attempt to answer that insofar as my understanding goes, I'd like to know how you feel about dying. Do you like the thought that's what life is? in other words, we're born and then die with no reasonable hope that there's more to the circumstances than evolution purports? Remember I asked you if you're "ok" with the general concept of evolution. Mainly that we're born and then we die.

 

[David Davidovich]

Right, Eve did Not come up with the idea on her own but implanted by Satan Genesis chapter 3.
Satan was also with perfection (angelic perfection) until he chose to do wrong - please see James 1:13-15

I don't see how James 1:13-15 explains how a perfect intelligent creature could conceive an evil desire and be tempted and enticed by it. However, I could see how that could apply to imperfect intelligent creatures who are suppose to already have "sin" running through their veins.

Satan tempted Eve with the 'first lie' (sin) found at Genesis 3:4

Once again, it still doesn't make sense how someone with a perfect start could go so far south, and why this person's love for God didn't prevent him from betraying God. Even though, the perfect good guy's love for God prevented him from betraying God. Or did Satan when he was an angel ever have love for God? That's what I would like to know.

However, this does provide curious human beings with a scapegoat story that they otherwise wouldn't have without this story.

Resurrection ( Abel ) is Not a non-answer. Abel will be resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

It's still a nonanswer in the context of what we were talking about regrading how perfect Eve's love for God failed... Or did she even have love for God? And if not, why? And please do not once again say that we'll have to ask Abel that in the resurrect.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't see how James 1:13-15 explains how a perfect intelligent creature could conceive an evil desire and be tempted and enticed by it. However, I could see how that could apply to imperfect intelligent creatures who are suppose to already have "sin" running through their veins.



Once again, it still doesn't make sense how someone with a perfect start could go so far south, and why this person's love for God didn't prevent him from betraying God. Even though, the perfect good guy's love for God prevented him from betraying God. Or did Satan when he was an angel ever have love for God? That's what I would like to know.

However, this does provide curious human beings with a scapegoat story that they otherwise wouldn't have without this story.



It's still a nonanswer in the context of what we were talking about regrading how perfect Eve's love for God failed... Or did she even have love for God? And if not, why? And please do not once again say that we'll have to ask Abel that in the resurrect.

Forgive me if I get involved, but what makes you think that a perfect man would not throw it all away? We're speaking here of the very first man ever created.

 

[David Davidovich]

You may have whatever you want or tend to believe. As we may have the choice.

I'm just wondering if there really is such a thing as choice (which would be an interesting topic for a thread) since apocalyptic religious beliefs appear to be based on fear of destruction along with guilt.

 

[David Davidovich]

Forgive me if I get involved, but what makes you think that a perfect man would not throw it all away?

Because if he had love for God, then that would be impossible. And then the question would be asked: If he didn't, then why didn't he?

We're speaking here of the very first man ever created.

Um, right. But what difference does that make?

 

[YoursTrue]

Because if he had love for God, then that would be impossible. And then the question would be asked: If he didn't, then why didn't he?

I haven't asked Adam what his intention was. It seems to me from the account that he gave away his life because he didn't like what was happening to Eve, knowing she would die.

 

[YoursTrue]

YoursTrue said: ↑
We're speaking here of the very first man ever created.

...Um, right. But what difference does that make?

Because Adam was a unique creation, the rest of humanity was, shall we say, in his genes.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm just wondering if there really is such a thing as choice (which would be an interesting topic for a thread) since apocalyptic religious beliefs appear to be based on fear of destruction along with guilt.

Answer me this: some scientists or intellectuals warn about the destruction of the world, things like the sun burning out, pollution ruining the earth, mass death in war, disease, etc. I wonder why be concerned if one is an atheist? If the ultimate goal of human life is to die, why even wonder about what happens to the earth and the population after a person dies?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Answer me this: some scientists or intellectuals warn about the destruction of the world, things like the sun burning out, pollution ruining the earth, mass death in war, disease, etc. I wonder why be concerned if one is an atheist? If the ultimate goal of human life is to die, why even wonder about what happens to the earth and the population after a person dies?

The simple answer is that atheists tend to have morals and know right from wrong.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I really don't have too much of an answer to your post except to say that I think it was in this thread where you may have mentioned that God has allowed wickedness to exist in the world for this long for the purpose of proving that humankind cannot successfully rule itself (or something like that). But what I would like to know is: Who exactly is this being proved to and how?

I would say 'being proved' to ALL in Heaven (angelic life) and ALL on Earth.
We are all given ' enough rope', so to speak, to do with it what we want.
First, Gen. 1:28 would have to be fulfilled (Earth populated) thus showing if mankind can govern himself.
In other words, the passing of time would allow for all of us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
Man's long history 'is the now' that shows that man can't successfully govern his step.
Thus, God needs to step in before all righteous ones on Earth are gone.
No one can now say that man can prove to successfully tackle the now too BIG international problems.
So, when the powers in charge are saying, " Peace and Security..." the opposite will prove true.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm just wondering if there really is such a thing as choice........... since apocalyptic religious beliefs appear to be based on fear of destruction along with guilt.

To me, apocalyptic-religious beliefs are based on the 'good news' found in Revelation - please see Revelation 22:2.
We are all invited to pray the invitation to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20.
Wicked/violent people being fear ( who leaves doors unlocked and feel safe )
We all have the opportunity to 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22) - 2 Peter 3:9
So, to pray to God for 'Jesus to come' is Not fear based but necessary for genuine Peace on Earth.
Peace on Earth as described at Micah 4:3-4; Isaiah 2:4. - Come Lord Jesus !

 

[Subduction Zone]

To me, apocalyptic-religious beliefs are based on the 'good news' found in Revelation - please see Revelation 22:2.
We are all invited to pray the invitation to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20.
Wicked/violent people being fear ( who leaves doors unlocked and feel safe )
We all have the opportunity to 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22) - 2 Peter 3:9
So, to pray to God for 'Jesus to come' is Not fear based but necessary for genuine Peace on Earth.
Peace on Earth as described at Micah 4:3-4; Isaiah 2:4. - Come Lord Jesus !

Well that is apocalyptic too. But the Noah's Ark myth is actually even more apocalyptic. Let's forget about Revelation, that book can be interpreted in many many different ways. That should disqualify it from even being called "scripture". But there were enough fans of crazy when they put the Bible together in roughly 300 CE that it made the final cut, but just barely.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Because if he had love for God, then that would be impossible. And then the question would be asked: If he didn't, then why didn't he?.........

To, me it was possible for imperfect Job (Job 2:4-5) to be tested / tempted. Satan challenges all of us.
Satan tested/ tempted perfect Jesus so it was also possible for Jesus to choose.
Jesus never said to Satan 'you can't offer me all the kingdoms/governments of the world', thus showing that Satan could offer them to Jesus for an act of worship.
Perfect (sinless) Adam proved faith-less in what was least.
Perfect (sinless) Jesus proved faithful in what was MUCH.

I think Adam had love for God, however, when Satan through Eve tempted/tested that love, Adam chose Eve.
James 1:13-15 helps us see that each person is drawn out by one's one desire.
Adam's desire (by choice) thus changed from love of God to a love of God's creation.
Seems Adam did Not want to live without Eve, thus showing Adam did Not have enough trust in his God and Father.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To, me it was possible for imperfect Job (Job 2:4-5) to be tested / tempted. Satan challenges all of us.
Satan tested/ tempted perfect Jesus so it was also possible for Jesus to choose.
Jesus never said to Satan 'you can't offer me all the kingdoms/governments of the world', thus showing that Satan could offer them to Jesus for an act of worship.
Perfect (sinless) Adam proved faith-less in what was least.
Perfect (sinless) Jesus proved faithful in what was MUCH.

I think Adam had love for God, however, when Satan through Eve tempted/tested that love, Adam chose Eve.
James 1:13-15 helps us see that each person is drawn out by one's one desire.
Adam's desire (by choice) thus changed from love of God to a love of God's creation.
Seems Adam did Not want to live without Eve, thus showing Adam did Not have enough trust in his God and Father.

Job is also largely regarded as being a morality tale. He was not an actual human being. Which is a good thing if you are a Christian because God acted rather abominably in that story.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't see how James 1:13-15 explains how a perfect intelligent creature could conceive an evil desire and be tempted and enticed by it. However, I could see how that could apply to imperfect intelligent creatures who are suppose to already have "sin" running through their veins.
Once again, it still doesn't make sense how someone with a perfect start could go so far south, and why this person's love for God didn't prevent him from betraying God. Even though, the perfect good guy's love for God prevented him from betraying God. Or did Satan when he was an angel ever have love for God? That's what I would like to know.....

Wow, yes, how or why would someone with a perfect start go so far south ( to his coming destruction )
Satan not only had love for God, but God also had GREAT love for Satan - please see Ezekiel 28:13-15
Cherubic angelic Satan would have always had the special distinction (among all the other angels) of having the Honor to watch over human creation, instead Satan decided he wanted humans to worship him.