Christian Warfare

[rational experiences]

Holy mother X three. Holy ceremony church healing X three.

Humans gas burnt. Were healed by bathing holy water.. aloe water. Holy oil balms. Incense frankincense myrrh against cancer and irradiating effects.

Were healed. Eyes shut by fused burning eyes opened in healing was an after the event summation of what Jesus human healer taught applied.

As the book was written when the church had been built as a historic summation of advices. Knowing men demanded records to be kept of historic events

You misread how it was taught.

In other words you believed that a destroyed temple was rebuilt and then miracle healings occurred. Ooh says evil.minds the temple science reaction got healed

The writers visionary healers who rebuilt the church based on healer advice. About temples causes. Of the past. Were advised how to assist healing.

Determined taught by gods heavenly answers.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
" Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me! "

Is one hiding, one would say, under lame excuses, please?
If it is not written by Jesus that mean it was not written by Jesus. No, never no.
Jesus did not even dictate anything to a scribe verbally. Did he, please? No, never no. All what was written down " in the name of Jesus" is therefore holds no water. Okay, please?
Jesus did not even authorize anybody to write on his behalf. Right?
It is a stark accusation, one would say, on the truthful and innocent Jesus that he founded the Pauline-Christianity, it was founded by tricky Paul, please. Agree?
Pauline-Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings, please. Does one accept it, please?

I don't think you understand the nature of [/COLOR]the new covenant.

Like a will, it does not come in to effect until after the death of the testator. This makes the Gospels a crossroads between the OT and the NT.

In the Gospels we see Jesus fulfil the law, demonstrating that he is the righteousness of God. This righteousness is spiritual, and is poured out as a gift to the believers at Pentecost (book of Acts).

If you want to know whether the words of Jesus Christ are true, then look for evidence of the Holy Spirit! If you find the Holy Spirit, then you have evidence that everything Jesus (is recorded as having) said must be true.

"Jesus delivered the new covenant"
"the new covenant."

One is again quoting third person narratives from Pauline-Gospels of the anonymous writers that Jesus said so and so, and such and such. Right?
One could quote note a single word written by Jesus in first person narrative. Right?
Jesus was a Jew and remained a Jew whole of his life, please. Agree?
Jesus was a follower of Moses and his teachings, and he got training for that, his intention was to reform the corrupt clergy of the then Judaism, I understand. Agree?
Jesus never wanted to invent any new religion. Correct?
Pauline-Christianity has no legs to stand and ,therefore, people in the West are leaving it and adopting "Nones"/Atheism or the like. Got it?

Regards

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Citation needed. How many Christians are in jail for breaking Russia's laws against proselytizing?

For example: as of Feb. 16, 2022 there were 79 Witnesses in pretrial detention or sentenced to prison, 28 under house arrest and 222 not allowed to leave their home town. 398 Witnesses currently under investigation ranging in ages from 20 to 91 years old.

See www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region (Russia)

 

[ppp]

For example: as of Feb. 16, 2022 there were 79 Witnesses in pretrial detention or sentenced to prison, 28 under house arrest and 222 not allowed to leave their home town. 398 Witnesses currently under investigation ranging in ages from 20 to 91 years old.

See www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region (Russia)

After long experience, I would not trust a JW news source to accurately report that water is wet. There is no way that I would ever consider them to be a credible platform.

That being said, I did some research into what you said the other day, and saw that you were indeed correct, if a bit misleading. Instead of saying that large numbers of "Christians are banned and or jailed" in Russia, you should have said that some sects of Christians were being persecuted by the Russian government. I agree with you that that is wrong, and should be set right. Assuming that the JWs in that country act in a comparable manner as those do in my country, the US.

.Back to your original post:

The 'Caesar's' of this world have banned or tried to ban Christian speech whether by written word or verbally.

What you meant is that 15% of the 'Caesar's' of this world have banned or tried to ban JW speech whether by written word or verbally.

So, do you want to talk about how countries treat Christians as a broad category, or how countries treat Jehovah's Witnesses specifically? You cannot just toggle scopes (moving the goalposts) when it is convenient. At least you cannot if you want me to treat you as an honest interlocutor*..

*a person who takes part in a conversation or dialogue.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You don't have to trust www.jw.org news but simply google about it secularly.

 

[ppp]

You don't have to trust www.jw.org news but simply google about it secularly.

Obviously, I did google for it. Did you not read past the first two lines?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I think the point of the story is more like this. How would you like it if someone setup an opium den and a house of prostitution in the basement of your local synagogue? Would you blame the rabbi for tossing them out on their ear and throwing their semen-stained bedsheets on the fire to be burned?

What exactly was it Jesus said about their 'business' as he overturned their tables? Do you recall? Do you think he considered it a legitimate business to be running inside the temple?

And he didn’t petition the authorities to ban it. He got a whip and committed assault.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It was written by Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This is the same Paul that met the resurrected Lord on the road to Damascus [Acts 9]. It's worth a read!

He literally brags about telling people what they want to hear.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

What many do not understand is that Deists don't believe that Jesus ascended anywhere.

Were you aware of this?

But Christian history is steeped full of invasion, enslavement, theft, murder and war. And I have not heard or read too many Christians extending their empathy and support for the Ukrainians.

Samson had the jawbone of a donkey. Ukraine has jars of pickles and are somehow more epic.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It was? I'm just saying the story does not say Jesus whipped people with the cords, nor that he destroyed their property, nor that they were running a legitimate business that Jesus unjustly attacked. I'm not sure how that qualifies as an "ad hoc false analogy". Can you explain?

How is it the merchants’ fault that the temple would only take temple coins, making currency conversions necessary?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I think it's too extreme, and it's also counter-productive.

We do not live in a perfect world. And because we do not, it becomes both foolish and counter-productive to demand such perfection from ourselves. All it does is allow those who truly desire peace to be destroyed in the name of perfectionism. Leaving those who would destroy them free to continue doing so.

You gotta crack eggs to make an omelette.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Both things are equally wrong. What they were doing and Jesus' response were wrong.

I'm a she.

Exactly. It’s like tearing up Trump flags: you may want to because he’s evil but it’s wrong to vandalize other peoples’ stuff.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If you imagine the stone temple to be the spiritual body of Christ, it follows that it was to be kept spotless and without sin. The Holy Spirit does not act sinfully. The Holy Spirit also reacts angrily to evil, wishing to 'cast it out'.

This is the same Jesus who is fine with the Temple being destroyed, right?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

And innocent trees along the way, even though it wasn't the right season...

But that's in Mark, and I only accept Matthew. But Xians accept it, so what does that say?

More of a Mark person myself. His Jesus is more realistic.

 

[Audie]

I agree, it's right to stand up to evil, and to make known your objections, but evil for evil is not to be encouraged, IMO.

Romans 14:19 says, 'Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another'.

So you figure its evil to forcefully stop
someone torturing a baby.
" make known your objections" *
That is nuts.
We wont look to anyone thinking that way
to be of the least use in a crisis.
Be sure to refuse help if you need it.

* we are reminded of the guy who testified
in court re witnessing his friend rape and murder
a 9 yr old in a casino restroom.

"I showed (disapproval) with my body language"

 

[Audie]

My God is truth, which is why He is able to judge all men justly. [Deut. 32:4]

That one only exists in your head.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If Caesar forbid speaking about God that Law would Not be superior to God's Law.

Keep your religion on the DL, signed Jesus

 

[Windwalker]

How is it the merchants’ fault that the temple would only take temple coins, making currency conversions necessary?

So you believe the authors of the gospel which contains the story, designed to convey a message in the creation of that story, considered what the money changers were doing to be legitimate, and intended to portray Jesus as an unjustifiable, raging violent thug? Aren't you guilty of misreading the story as literal history, the same as the fundamentalist does? Do you believe the gospel writer meant for you to understand Jesus as irrational and out of control? Or is that just a bad reading of the texts as just passive records of historical facts? I say it's clearly the latter.

Regarding the other post where you said Jesus "assaulted" them with a whip, the story says no such thing. It says explicitly he used the whip to drive out the cattle and the sheep, not to assault human beings with it. Again, the authors were creating a story to convey a message, not record history, like a fundamentalist who doesn't understand the nature of the what the gospels are tends to read them. You're just making the same mistake in reverse.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So you believe the authors of the gospel which contains the story, designed to convey a message in the creation of that story, considered what the money changers were doing to be legitimate, and intended to portray Jesus as an unjustifiable, raging violent thug?

The authors would not think it’s legit but it was because the Temple made the rules. The scripture goes on endlessly nitpicking what happens in a temple that didn’t exist yet. The “Word of God” thought it important to describe curtains. Also, if it makes you feel better, perhaps it was Jesus Barabbas, the terrorist, who had the Temple Tantrum.

 

[Windwalker]

The authors would not think it’s legit but it was because the Temple made the rules.

While the temple may have made the rules, the authors of the gospels showed that they were violating the spirit of the worship, taking that which is sacred and turning it into a money-making affair. Exploiting the sacred for profit, in other words. That is clearly the author's intent here. Do you disagree with that?

The scripture goes on endlessly nitpicking what happens in a temple that didn’t exist yet.

I've never heard this particular scene being anachronistic. Do you have a source you can cite that can show that it is? Even so, that's the not really an issue. As recording accurate history is not really the author's intent. Fundamentalists may think so, but I don't, nor do most modern scholars.

The “Word of God” thought it important to describe curtains. Also, if it makes you feel better, perhaps it was Jesus Barabbas, the terrorist, who had the Temple Tantrum.

What makes me "feel better" is understanding the Bible outside of a fundamentalist/literalist mindset.