A Single Human Family -- Will We Ever Get There?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I just saw @Revoltingest's thread on China backing Russia (although slightly covertly). Rather than answering it, I thought I would take this opportunity to ask a question of my own -- one that, as a Humanist, has been at the forefront of my thought for decades.

And that question is this: "Can we humans ever finally discover that, isolated as we are on a tiny world in a vast cosmos, are one family, and that our continued survival is becoming more and more dependent on whether we can learn to live together, rather than continually try to win some special place over the rest of humanity?"

Or are we doomed to continue trying to outdo each other until, finally and ultimately, none of us is left, and the cockroaches get their turn at world domination?

 

[Revoltingest]

History paints a picture of being doomed to eternal war.

 

[The Hammer]

We are a tribalistic species and will always be so, there will always be some form of infighting. But it doesn't have to be a catastrophic affair imo.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I just saw @Revoltingest's thread on China backing Russia (although slightly covertly). Rather than answering it, I thought I would take this opportunity to ask a question of my own -- one that, as a Humanist, has been at the forefront of my thought for decades.

And that question is this: "Can we humans ever finally discover that, isolated as we are on a tiny world in a vast cosmos, are one family, and that our continued survival is becoming more and more dependent on whether we can learn to live together, rather than continually try to win some special place over the rest of humanity?"

Or are we doomed to continue trying to outdo each other until, finally and ultimately, none of us is left, and the cockroaches get their turn at world domination?

Only when Christ reigns will we have complete peace on earth.

 

[Ella S.]

I do not believe that we could ever convince everyone of anything. In fact, in trying to do so, we normally end up starting new wars.

 

[Ella S.]

I would also like to point out that many conflicts naturally arise over how we should learn to live together, so that shared goal does not necessarily preclude human extinction through warfare.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I would also like to point out that many conflicts naturally arise over how we should learn to live together, so that shared goal does not necessarily preclude human extinction through warfare.

Learn to live together? How hard can that be?

Do you think it best to tell others how they should live, so that you will accept them and get along, or would you accept how they wish to live, and hope they do the same for you?

 

[rational experiences]

No. As it places the word single as one parent only so I would challenge the conscious advice as a person.

Family is United.

Family lives United with earths garden nature...animals...insects...
Humans equally.

Our nation's family expresses diversity as first nature as it's mutually supportive.

 

[rational experiences]

Only when Christ reigns will we have complete peace on earth.

Which was a scientific advice the Christ reigns bodily by mass in heavens affecting biology and consciousness.

Hence don't sacrifice it's god earth CH forms or we all die.

We were told long ago year 2012 would end the science nuclear caused Christ body sacrifice. It's real that science never allowed the evolution.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes I see we will get there, as "the earth is but one country and mankind its citizens".

Regards Tony

 

[Wildswanderer]

Which was a scientific advice the Christ reigns bodily by mass in heavens affecting biology and consciousness.

Hence don't sacrifice it's god earth CH forms or we all die.

We were told long ago year 2012 would end the science nuclear caused Christ body sacrifice. It's real that science never allowed the evolution.

And the red spotted moose flys backwards under the purple moon, I feel ya bro!

 

[blü 2]

"Can we humans ever finally discover that, isolated as we are on a tiny world in a vast cosmos, are one family, and that our continued survival is becoming more and more dependent on whether we can learn to live together, rather than continually try to win some special place over the rest of humanity?"

We evolved to survive and breed in tribes, and as history, and not least the bible, show, we got very good at thinking tribally, territorially and militarily. Our cousins the chimpanzees are noted for the way larger tribes of chimps expand into the territory of smaller tribes, killing the Other males (especially individually, by outnumbering them and repeatedly striking them and throwing them to the ground), and going on from there. And that's without speech, an instinct they have in common instead.

Still, as well as having stoic and skeptical and analytical aspects to my nature, I have humanist elements as well, so I share your hope. And by the same token I find the modern return of the Nazi & Chimp style in the form of Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Lukashenko, Orbán and more is particularly depressing master-race authoritarian stuff.

In this context it strikes me as similarly depressing that all the Marvel-style superheroes and their predecessors have superpowers that let them bash others harder than the others can bash them.

When I get the chance to be a superhero, the superpower I want is Persuasion.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I don't believe global homogeny is possible or desirable. Conflict is a natural drawback of having a myriad unique perspectives and beliefs.

Do I think we've pushed the pendulum too far to either individualism or collectivism at various points in human history? Absolutely. Are there depressingly regular amounts of 'one man is an island' philosophy that need to be beat down a bit? Absolutely. Is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" a bs saying that means the opposite of its common use today? Also, yes.

But like a corporation who insists 'we're all family,' anyone telling me they want to make the world into one global family should be regarded with suspicion. All utopia are disguised dystopia, imo. The only way humanity is going to be a global cooperative is if humanity is stripped from it.

 

[Ella S.]

Learn to live together? How hard can that be?

Do you think it best to tell others how they should live, so that you will accept them and get along, or would you accept how they wish to live, and hope they do the same for you?

I think it is pointless to try to tell others how they should live, but I am still going to do what I think is right.

I would not accept how dictators, pedophiles, and serial killers wish to live, for instance; I think the right thing to do is stop those people from living how they wish to live.

 

[Stevicus]

I just saw @Revoltingest's thread on China backing Russia (although slightly covertly). Rather than answering it, I thought I would take this opportunity to ask a question of my own -- one that, as a Humanist, has been at the forefront of my thought for decades.

And that question is this: "Can we humans ever finally discover that, isolated as we are on a tiny world in a vast cosmos, are one family, and that our continued survival is becoming more and more dependent on whether we can learn to live together, rather than continually try to win some special place over the rest of humanity?"

Or are we doomed to continue trying to outdo each other until, finally and ultimately, none of us is left, and the cockroaches get their turn at world domination?

I think that humans can do that, but realistically, they probably won't.

The world may still be unified, and the human race may finally realize that they are all citizens of the same planet.

But would they all do it of their own free will?

Or would it be done through conquest - by some world conqueror or empire? That seems pretty nasty, although in the end, if everyone is assimilated, then the world would be unified and humanity would be as one.

 

[rational experiences]

And the red spotted moose flys backwards under the purple moon, I feel ya bro!

No my sister's picture was a chocolate moose. You know sus.an why you believed me before.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

History paints a picture of being doomed to eternal war.

Are we not intelligent enough to outwit our own history?

 

[Revoltingest]

Are we not intelligent enough to outwit our own history?

Intelligence is defeated by 2 things....
- Emotions
- The size of the group

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We are a tribalistic species and will always be so, there will always be some form of infighting. But it doesn't have to be a catastrophic affair imo.

Yet tribalism is something that seems akin to an instinct -- but are we not also intelligent in a way that we can overcome our instincts? Wouldn't understanding how the instinct to be tribal causes us to self destruct lead us to find ways to avoid doing so?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Only when Christ reigns will we have complete peace on earth.

He was already here, so I'm told, and we certainly didn't have it then.