Forewarned and forewarned (10th plague) so, they could have reasoned on the previous 9 plagues to stop.
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God is Holy, Man is fallen and needs salvation
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Parents are responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14 B.
No parent bothered to place any minor children on the Ark.
That's great and as for whether our fellow rf goers agree, I believe everyone has the light of Christ to know wrong from right no matter what state of religion they claim to be in.
The light of Christ is a free gift to mankind to know right from wrong and cannot be extinguished.
You know it's interesting. I didn't say anything about the USA South. I asked what should be a very, very simple question.
Is it moral to own another person as property? Yes, or no?
Debt was not the only reason people owned slaves in ancient Israel. Some people were enslaved as the result of war, for example. Or as a result of simply being unlucky enough to have slave parents.
This is wildly inaccurate. Masters in the Torah are explicitly permitted to beat their slaves as long as they don't kill or permanently maim them. Read Exodus 21:20-21
That sounds nice but the documents don't bear it out. A little sample:
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 “When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations [...] then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." (repeated at 20:16)
Numbers 31:17-18 God orders massacres and mass rape.
Numbers 31:17-18 God orders massacres and mass rape.
Joshua 1 – God orders the invasion of Canaan so his people can seize the territory.
Joshua 6:17, 6:21 – God orders, and Joshua performs, the massacre of the population of Jericho.
Judges 11 – God makes a deal with Jephthah, military victory in exchange for the human sacrifice of Jephthah’s daughter. This is done, and Jephthah is elevated to Judge (ruler) of Israel.
2 Samuel 21 – God refuses to call off the famine until seven blameless sons of Saul have been killed by impalement "before the Lord" to expiate Saul’s bloodguilt.
Hosea 13:16 – God condones the ripping open of pregnant women as part of massacring one’s enemies.
And of course the NT is about God's refusal to forgive humans their sins until [his] son is made a human sacrifice to [him] ─ a project I find utterly incomprehensible.2 Samuel 21 – God refuses to call off the famine until seven blameless sons of Saul have been killed by impalement "before the Lord" to expiate Saul’s bloodguilt.
Hosea 13:16 – God condones the ripping open of pregnant women as part of massacring one’s enemies.
So if you're setting out to be moral and just then whatever you do, don't take God as your example.
rational experiences
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The human the thinker.
Knows himself. Him the self says man. Men agree.
I believe that the gods in space seeing the thinker is just a human sees them existing. Must have been a big O inside a thin line space womb. Theism.
Falsifying advice your thoughts did not create creation. Humans man first teaching about lying.
I am a supreme mind.
By words not maths first which you ignore as your owned human man teaching as the liars.
I said O that large body must have burst into DD by pressure change. Somehow. Cooled D became an O. God in space he said.
Whilst knowing his baby man O ova ovah changed developed cell after cell after cell.
The gods he said in space womb must have formed like I did.
How come they are scattered mass or just O?
You aren't. Your image is a man says your ego image looking at your perfect self body thinking how you had to have been a God. Because your image was a self love. Of man himself.
By imposing your human mother was just a space womb.
All egotism actually.
As stone rock has to be observed by consciousness a man him his he himself to talk about earth god a rock and a God.
Yet notice his status human imposed itself.
So Baha'i father said be a loving gentle natured non egotist brother surely you know you lie?
No. He killed you instead as his answer to being challenged by his theme perfection and supreme thinker.
So today a brother baby child molester murderer thinks his science machine theist brother is far eviler than he is by man's memories. And believes he is not wrong. As his brother caused as a scientist of God his evil choice and belief. Sexual self the man. Conceiver of life by sex the man. Man's child baby body destroying in sexual causes DNA inheritance by sex.... man or woman.
Acts out his self possession real.
Why you blamed God. Yet God was a real man human science theist machine user.
By his agreed men's answers.
The reality of why spiritual men formed their own order human law to deal with him. An off branch of science.
The tree of life and not the fallen branches.
Science.
Fallen branches geology archaeology Scientology theology...
Not the medical human healer biology law. Presence of self.
No man is God.
Which relates hence no man is the beast either.
Knows himself. Him the self says man. Men agree.
I believe that the gods in space seeing the thinker is just a human sees them existing. Must have been a big O inside a thin line space womb. Theism.
Falsifying advice your thoughts did not create creation. Humans man first teaching about lying.
I am a supreme mind.
By words not maths first which you ignore as your owned human man teaching as the liars.
I said O that large body must have burst into DD by pressure change. Somehow. Cooled D became an O. God in space he said.
Whilst knowing his baby man O ova ovah changed developed cell after cell after cell.
The gods he said in space womb must have formed like I did.
How come they are scattered mass or just O?
You aren't. Your image is a man says your ego image looking at your perfect self body thinking how you had to have been a God. Because your image was a self love. Of man himself.
By imposing your human mother was just a space womb.
All egotism actually.
As stone rock has to be observed by consciousness a man him his he himself to talk about earth god a rock and a God.
Yet notice his status human imposed itself.
So Baha'i father said be a loving gentle natured non egotist brother surely you know you lie?
No. He killed you instead as his answer to being challenged by his theme perfection and supreme thinker.
So today a brother baby child molester murderer thinks his science machine theist brother is far eviler than he is by man's memories. And believes he is not wrong. As his brother caused as a scientist of God his evil choice and belief. Sexual self the man. Conceiver of life by sex the man. Man's child baby body destroying in sexual causes DNA inheritance by sex.... man or woman.
Acts out his self possession real.
Why you blamed God. Yet God was a real man human science theist machine user.
By his agreed men's answers.
The reality of why spiritual men formed their own order human law to deal with him. An off branch of science.
The tree of life and not the fallen branches.
Science.
Fallen branches geology archaeology Scientology theology...
Not the medical human healer biology law. Presence of self.
No man is God.
Which relates hence no man is the beast either.
God's work is perfect? We're God's work and we're not perfect. The bible has errors.
God of truth? Then why lie about perfection and the love of God. Would he torture us (or Jesus) if he loved us?
He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins? Is this about original sin? Jews believe that sinning is violating any of the 600 or so commandments of God, but also believe that a newborn is sinless. Since the Christian religion is a spin-off of the Jewish religion, how can it be different? How can Christians believe in original sin if Jews don't?
If God was rich in mercy, why did he require the gruesome death of his own son (Jesus)?
Presented without facts, it sounds reasonable. However, now that you've added facts, his statements seem false.
Quit confusing people with the truth.
I suspect that passover is about the Jewish diet preventing illness. Egyptians, on the other hand, may have had a tradition of feeding special foods to their first born kids. Likely, as a result of eating poisoned foods (perhaps shellfish during a red tide), many Egyptian kids had died. Orthodox Jews were not allowed to eat shellfish, so they didn't ingest poison.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
But I'll bet that Christians don't obey a fraction of those perfect laws in Deuteronomy. Not even a tenth of them. Is that correct?
So nothing has changed...?
Paul's promises, and veiled threats for those who would stay outside of his churches. Correct?
{QUOTE]This discussion is based on the Biblical view of God and Man according to Scripture and the meaning of the verses in context, Greek and Hebrew meanings for these words for the purpose of finding out what the writer, author means by what they recorded in the Scripture or Bible. By Bible the 66 Books of the Bible.[/QUOTE]
I think that the majority of the bible was written for one people, about one people.
And Jesus was one of those people.
Catholics do believe the Bible. Your question ought to be why did the Protestants take thise books out.
ElishaElijah
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You can use other books but for this discussion I was clarifying what my reference is.
ElishaElijah
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You’d have to clarify what you mean by that because it’s not a simple yes or no answer.
For example: I have children and employees, they are under my authority and my responsibility. I expect them to do what I ask whether they want to or not. It’s unfortunate I would have to even clarify this but when I say do what I ask, I’m assuming everyone understands what is mean by that as a loving, responsible parent or good employer who looks out for the welfare of both.
Neither children nor employees are your property.
So again - is it moral for someone to own another human being as property?
ElishaElijah
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Posting this as a reference for slavery in the Bible:
The Bible and Slavery - Apologetics Press
The Bible and Slavery - Apologetics Press
ElishaElijah
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Not sure you mean then
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Noah had no grandchildren in the Ark because the only people whom God had designated to be passengers on the Ark were him, his wife, his three sons, and their wives (Genesis 7:7). His 16 grandchildren were born after the flood (Genesis 10).
Fascinating.
A conversation about slavery is going to be difficult for you, then.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
How does your answer justify God killing the innocent firstborn children of the Egyptians?
ElishaElijah
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Is it ok for a person to buy/pay money for a baby or child by adoption and whoever I pay to receive that money?Fascinating.
A conversation about slavery is going to be difficult for you, then.